Master Trim (fuel)
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Master Trim (fuel)
I'm ready to start the car for the first time after installing the new injectors. I have input new cranking fuel numbers that I received from Travis, as cranking fuel is separate from running fuel and can't be trimmed out.
Travis suggested using master trim to see how much fuel (time) I need to remove from my stock injector map to start up and run on the 600cc injectors. I don't know if +trim munbers trim by that percentage or negative trim numbers remove that percentage. I'm guessing subtracting 60-62% of the base map will get me close, 260 vs 600 cc) but is that -60 master trim or +60 master trim?
Also, I don't understand dead time correction and how to find the values to change it to for the new injectors. I assume that I will have to do this before I can tune the car on the new injectors, but will the base map be close enough to get it going?
Travis suggested using master trim to see how much fuel (time) I need to remove from my stock injector map to start up and run on the 600cc injectors. I don't know if +trim munbers trim by that percentage or negative trim numbers remove that percentage. I'm guessing subtracting 60-62% of the base map will get me close, 260 vs 600 cc) but is that -60 master trim or +60 master trim?
Also, I don't understand dead time correction and how to find the values to change it to for the new injectors. I assume that I will have to do this before I can tune the car on the new injectors, but will the base map be close enough to get it going?
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While we are waiting, it made me think of the carb thread today. Back then it was trial and error, wive's tales, tons of jets, blown motors, tons of time invested.
Now, we are on the internet in the shop, receiving tuning maps in emails, loading them into the ECU in a few seconds and rolling. If there is a problem, you post it on the forum and within minutes you have an answer, or if it works, everyone knows at that moment. If I had a webcam, everyone interested could be watching me do it real time for the ultimate win!
We've come a long way.
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While typing my blackberry went off saying that I got a new email. What do you know? New map from Travis.
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Well, no go. Killed my battery trying to start it. I know that my fuel rail was empty when I went into this. Not sure if this is the cause and it's still trying to meter out trapped air, but it never even popped.
I had run the fuel pump for five minutes checking for leaks the other day per the 99 service manual, but on a returnless system, wouldn't it just trap the air that's in the fuel rail?
Charger is on the car-will try again tomorrow. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
I had run the fuel pump for five minutes checking for leaks the other day per the 99 service manual, but on a returnless system, wouldn't it just trap the air that's in the fuel rail?
Charger is on the car-will try again tomorrow. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
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Where is that? I just went through the tabs and didn't see it.
Also, did you address the dead time correction on the new map?
I just loaded the updated map and tried to run with it.
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What is different is that I just installed the injectors and the car didn't have any fuel in the rail or the injectors, I would suspect. All I did from before is swap the injectors. Is there a priming procedure? At least the NA's have a return so they would at least fill the fuel rail with fuel.
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While we are waiting, it made me think of the carb thread today. Back then it was trial and error, wive's tales, tons of jets, blown motors, tons of time invested.
Now, we are on the internet in the shop, receiving tuning maps in emails, loading them into the ECU in a few seconds and rolling. If there is a problem, you post it on the forum and within minutes you have an answer, or if it works, everyone knows at that moment. If I had a webcam, everyone interested could be watching me do it real time for the ultimate win!
We've come a long way.
EDIT:
While typing my blackberry went off saying that I got a new email. What do you know? New map from Travis.
Now, we are on the internet in the shop, receiving tuning maps in emails, loading them into the ECU in a few seconds and rolling. If there is a problem, you post it on the forum and within minutes you have an answer, or if it works, everyone knows at that moment. If I had a webcam, everyone interested could be watching me do it real time for the ultimate win!
We've come a long way.
EDIT:
While typing my blackberry went off saying that I got a new email. What do you know? New map from Travis.
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Changed cranking fuel as above. Got it to start. It fired right away, so I probably was only a couple of cranks from getting fuel to the injectors anyway.
Changed cranking fuel back to normal and it started again. After it started AFR's dropped steadily from 15.5 to 10 (probably lower) over the course of 8-10 seconds. Idle was bouncing between 1000-1300 and back every second. It's too late and the car is too loud to be tuning now as my wife has gone to bed, so I will be back on it tomorrow. It was super rich, though. The shop was filled with fuel smoke in that 10 seconds.
Travis:
Why did you change the fuel maps to the same levels all the way across? Wouldn't it have been closer to finished by scaling the current map?
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As an exercise, I tried to make sure to transfer every single item on your new map in the corrections tab to my original map, cell by cell. I'm going to try to run that map tomorrow, trimmed to -58 to see if it is close. The lumps at the beginning were me trying to tune out the tip in problem. I'll knock them down if needed tomorrow. If it doesn't work at all, I'll reload your map and go from there.
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Guys, injector dead time is specific to the injectors.
This is important because the ECU uses this value as a known fudge for injector response time. When you want 5ms of fuel from an injector with a .75ms dead time, you only want to send a 4.25ms pulse.
Article:
Yaw Power Products / Injector Dead Times Explained
Call the mfgr before you do much fine tuning if you can.
This is important because the ECU uses this value as a known fudge for injector response time. When you want 5ms of fuel from an injector with a .75ms dead time, you only want to send a 4.25ms pulse.
Article:
Yaw Power Products / Injector Dead Times Explained
Call the mfgr before you do much fine tuning if you can.