93' Miata stolen and flipped build thread
#842
Bad thing about being in Southern Utah, there are not a lot of auto-x events nearby, so you have to drive quite a bit to get to them.
#844
I bought 100sq/ft of Dynomat sound deadening for my miata. Ended up using only like half of it, but covered EVERYTHING inside. Literally, every orifice. Check my thread.
You know what the total weight of all 100sq/ft was? 15lb
That is nothing. And the reduced nvh, noise, and overall solid "feel" of the car on the road is SOOO worth it. I'd recommend to everyone that daily drives their miata
You know what the total weight of all 100sq/ft was? 15lb
That is nothing. And the reduced nvh, noise, and overall solid "feel" of the car on the road is SOOO worth it. I'd recommend to everyone that daily drives their miata
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Many of these "sound deadening" mats are not actually sound inhibitors in the way we think of them. Many of them are really just designed to reduce the vibrations of the metal to which it is attached. Most manufacturers recommend strategically placed mats so that you can use the minimum amount of mat for maximum effect. I presume this is why Concealer asks his question. Of course, usually when manufacturers recommend placement like that they're trying to stabilize a door panel or something instead of a floor pan.
Although I think Jeff has the right idea. The "heavy" dynamat type stuff will stabilize the metal and keep it from vibrating and resonating. The closed-cell foam will actually act as a genuine sound barrier. I'm not familiar with the vinyl part though.
Although I think Jeff has the right idea. The "heavy" dynamat type stuff will stabilize the metal and keep it from vibrating and resonating. The closed-cell foam will actually act as a genuine sound barrier. I'm not familiar with the vinyl part though.
#852
Well, 100% coverage CAN result in more vibrations than a lesser percentage, depending on how it's applied. There's no way it's not going to be a huge improvement either way, was just curious what the instructions specified, if there was any.
Ah, i got ninja'd. That explanation makes sense.
Ah, i got ninja'd. That explanation makes sense.
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Yeah... if he had even more time and even more science and research, he could probably do a little better by placing it strategically rather than putting it everywhere. But not even Jeff has time for that. Much easier to just do full coverage rather than try to put it here and there. This is going to be amazing when it's finished, the closed-cell foam will make a huge difference.
#854
The vinyl stuff is the creme' de la creme' on the sound "deadening". The foam helps kill a certain frequency range while the thick vinyl help take care of the other spectrum or noise "range". It is the heaviest part of the noise deadening equation but you get the biggest result from it.
Yeah... if he had even more time and even more science and research, he could probably do a little better by placing it strategically rather than putting it everywhere. But not even Jeff has time for that. Much easier to just do full coverage rather than try to put it here and there. This is going to be amazing when it's finished, the closed-cell foam will make a huge difference.
Spray and pray was my goal on this....no I wish I could go into this completely without research. The full coverage helps the noise not have a path to get through.
Most the times you see the spot applications is when they are trying to isolate high stress areas for speaker systems where they see enhanced vibrations in certain zones in the car depending on what music they are playing
Here is the completed closed cell foam installation. It honestly looks terrible in the photos only due to the fact that the glue hasn't dried and "cleared" yet. It looks pro in person...or as well as I could get trying to stretch 36 yards of foam for the cabin area.
Super 77 3M spray and High strength 90 is your friend.
This is really really tedious work.
#856
In case anyone wants a good reference on sound deadening in a car:
Welcome to Sound Deadener Showdown | Sound Deadener Showdown
Welcome to Sound Deadener Showdown | Sound Deadener Showdown
#857
In case anyone wants a good reference on sound deadening in a car:
Welcome to Sound Deadener Showdown | Sound Deadener Showdown
Welcome to Sound Deadener Showdown | Sound Deadener Showdown
#858
Found out that the Mass loaded vinyl needs to be a little "loosey goosey" for it to absorb properly. If pulled taught then it is less likely to absorb the higher frequency sound waves.
The hard thing about MLV is that you need to minimize breaks in the material as much as possible. Obviously on the firewall you are going to have a hard time minimizing that while still being able to fit the firewall rubber gaskets in their associated holes.
So I plan on seam taping the segments together with aluminum tape or, if I have enough, gluing spare MLV scraps together to further isolate chance of sound escaping. We'll see if I care enough by that point, ready for this "project" to be over
Measure 20 times cut once.
Slap it on.
The hard thing about MLV is that you need to minimize breaks in the material as much as possible. Obviously on the firewall you are going to have a hard time minimizing that while still being able to fit the firewall rubber gaskets in their associated holes.
So I plan on seam taping the segments together with aluminum tape or, if I have enough, gluing spare MLV scraps together to further isolate chance of sound escaping. We'll see if I care enough by that point, ready for this "project" to be over
Measure 20 times cut once.
Slap it on.
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damn dude. I'm curious to hear if this was all worth it in the end.
Probably will depend on the person and the use of the car, but i've always removed weight from my car in the past. However, at this point my car is too loud, going with a nice quiet 3" to see if I can get it to acceptable levels, but I guess this would be the next step
Probably will depend on the person and the use of the car, but i've always removed weight from my car in the past. However, at this point my car is too loud, going with a nice quiet 3" to see if I can get it to acceptable levels, but I guess this would be the next step
#860
damn dude. I'm curious to hear if this was all worth it in the end.
Probably will depend on the person and the use of the car, but i've always removed weight from my car in the past. However, at this point my car is too loud, going with a nice quiet 3" to see if I can get it to acceptable levels, but I guess this would be the next step
Probably will depend on the person and the use of the car, but i've always removed weight from my car in the past. However, at this point my car is too loud, going with a nice quiet 3" to see if I can get it to acceptable levels, but I guess this would be the next step
It is such a small amount of weight that I really don't care. Its sixes at this point. I've removed so much weight that I think I'm still in the negatives vs weight added. I have a loud 3" exhaust too so this'll help I hope.
After this I'm putting the hard lines and gas tank/filler/breather tube in.