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Old 03-10-2014, 06:00 PM   #1541
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It's probably the stock NA regulator.

Our NA8 has the same exact setup. BP4W, CAS, M-Tuned rail, stock FPR.

Andd..... COPs, for that matter. Jeff, i suppose this means that if you run into issues, i might be able to help since it looks like our setups are identical.
LOL same setup here, but OEM bp4w fuel rail.
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Is the cost worth the benefit of an AFPR? I haven't read up on them...at all. Or is it one of those, "minor things" that add to the refinement of your tuning.

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You could get a '99 throttle body to free up an inch or so.
So do you suggest removing the fan or keeping it? In my minds eye I see more cooling as never a bad thing. Though, if Emilio doesn't run one, logic would suggest otherwise.

I need to do more research on these small things...
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Is the cost worth the benefit of an AFPR? I haven't read up on them...at all. Or is it one of those, "minor things" that add to the refinement of your tuning.
Not necessary unless you find yourself needing more fuel pressure for whatever reason.

Don't see any reason in your setup for it, so... save the money.
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What size injectors do you have again?

The only real reason you would need a AFPR is if you run out of fuel in boost (injector DC) so if the injectors are anything other than stock, you should be fine with the OEM 1:1 regulator. I doubt Dave would have cheaped out on injectors. Fuggedaboudit and get back to obsessively cleaning things
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except of course when your pump overwhelms your stocker.
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except of course when your pump overwhelms your stocker.

That's just bonus fuel.
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Dave definitely didn't do things half-*** when it came to assembling the right components.

Car has 750cc RC injectors
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LOL
RC is junk
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LOL
RC is junk
I stand corrected!

With that information some ID1000's are on the way!


Nah...maybe another time.

Nice edit
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The car's forward motion provides ample airflow for the radiator (assuming good sealing). The fans are there for idling in traffic. And they don't do a very good job at that.
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I'm not saying you need to change em out asap, but yeah they are pretty much on the lowest/crappy end of the injector hierarchy.

And don't you dare get anything but ev14's. If you get DW I'll fly down there to choke you.
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I'm not saying you need to change em out asap, but yeah they are pretty much on the lowest/crappy end of the injector hierarchy.

And don't you dare get anything but ev14's. If you get DW I'll fly down there to choke you.
DW's for the Miata are now EV14's. (1000's anyways). They were out of stock for 3 months. When I called my rep he said the replacements are the EV series.
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So how are the EV14's better than ID1k and about $1-200 cheaper? Made with less unicorn ****?
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They are all EV. Except all their plug and play versions are EV6.
I did see that they sell "universal" EV14 injectors, so I'm guessing you're talking about those. If they are as perfectly matched as ID and FIC I would probably try em, but until then, I stick to ID and FIC and tell everyone else to do the same.

I can buy bosch EV14 injectors for like 50 bux a pop if I wanted to. But they are not the same. They might "work", but I've tuned enough of these different injectors to know that its not even close to the same.
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In Dave's defense (not that I even know the guy ) the RC's were probably the "known quantity" drop-in fitment injectors on the market at the time. Remember when you guys kept telling people to buy RX7 Reds?

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So how are the EV14's better than ID1k and about $1-200 cheaper? Made with less unicorn ****?
EVxx is the footprint. The RCs you have now are 1970's tech era EV1 "squirtgun" injectors, same hardware as the RX7 460s that everyone was running 3-4 years ago. EV14 is the new hotness: super low latency, high flow, better atomization, you name it and the EV14 does better in every way compared to the EV1 (Except for maybe price, if you are Braineack.) The older DW injectors were Denso style or EV6, I can't keep it straight. Better than EV1 but not as good as EV14.

Brand Names: ID = Injector Dynamics, FIC = Fuel Injector Clinic, DW = DeatschWerks.

The ID and FIC Miata injectors are custom flow matched EV14 style injectors. ID1000 is pretty much "internet slang" in Injector Dynamics 1000cc injectors. If I'm reading the above correctly, the new DWs are EV14, and that's a good thing.

The extra $$$ in the ID product is for the super low latency dynamic matching or whatever they call it. Check out ID's website, they can explain it far better than I can. This is one of the things that can let you have "better than factory" idle with such a massive injector on a relatively tiny displacement engine. I don't NEED 1000cc of fuel on tap because I don't have access to E85 and won't in the foreseeable future. The FIC650s I'll be running on CA91 pump gas will have plenty of headroom with my tiny 2560.

TL;DR: If you are going to spend money on injectors you will buy ID or FIC or we will find you and hurt you.
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Knows way too much about injectors


Props. That summed up things perfectly.

I want to say it is ridiculous how much you know about these things, but if we were talking about the baking of bread the conversation would be similar.
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Learned everything he knows by reading MT
No seriously, the amount of information on this forum is simply staggering. I spend most of my workday chained to a desk waiting around for things, so I do A LOT of reading. When I find something I don't understand, I look it up and learn about that. This is one of the reason we give noobs so much hell for not using the search feature. IT'S ALL HERE SOMEWHERE they just have to make the effort to look.

Bread is made from flour, right? Flour is what you get when your rollers are too tight on the mill and then you end up with a stuck sparge when mashing, and that's no good for anyone.

Am I close?
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No seriously, the amount of information on this forum is simply staggering.
Bread is made from flour, right? Flour is what you get when your rollers are too tight on the mill and then you end up with a stuck sparge when mashing, and that's no good for anyone.

Am I close?
Too true on the massive amount of information on this forum. I have never read another car forum with the amount of quality well read contributors...ever.

Saying that, there is so much information, and my lack thereof, makes it hard to sift through it/understand. Even though I've torn apart 2 Miata and rebuilt this one to the level I have, I haven't had time to get a good baseline on the info. Sink or swim should be the alternate title to this.

I have no idea how I have even gotten as far as I have. Probably because or said treasure trove this site has. That and because you objective ******** are too nice to me. Seriously, no way in hell, overlooking my work ethic and insanity, I could have assembled this car correctly.





Your sparge simile is close but if your granite rollers are too close together you are going to get some minerals in your flour that may chip a tooth...and also denature the protein in the flour due to overheating it causing your yeast to not be able to eat those tasty sugars and further causing your bread to turn out as dense and flat as a brick...

*cough*

Anyways...

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Here, here.

I've never really done anything but I can pretend like I know what I'm doing because of hours and hours of reading.

Fake it til you make it. I'll actually DO something soon!

Can't wait to see this going Jeff. You're almost there!!
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