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Old 01-19-2017, 11:46 AM
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Yeah i've read that. Main question is what CFM does a VVT motor flow at 200/300/400whp. Thats probably what i'm missing.
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guy posted nb1 head flow bench results within the last year.

....somewhere on this forum

bust your your search skillz. I bet 2.25 would likely handle most if not all that anyone ever needs on a Miata. assuming the bends are not terrible and core flows okayish
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^^ Delete that **** immediately, this thread is not allowed to contain useful information.

I know that Precision has 2.75" in/out, just run 2.75" from the outlet on the intercooler to the throttle body. Zero restriction baby!
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Originally Posted by 18psi
guy posted nb1 head flow bench results within the last year.

....somewhere on this forum

bust your your search skillz. I bet 2.25 would likely handle most if not all that anyone ever needs on a Miata. assuming the bends are not terrible and core flows okayish
Core is a precision 550 (600? dunno). I have 2" piping from another project. And I have a pile of 2.5" piping I got for cheap. So its going to either be 2" or 2.5". Just need to do math. Oh well.

I will probably make 2' and 2.5". Swap out on the dyno and see if i get gainz.
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Probably won't see gains until like 350+ and even then likely past 5500 or so. Just a guess
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You have a Precision 600, n00b.

On mine I feel like we did 2" between the turbo and intercooler and 2.5" between the intercooler and the throttle body, but stepped up to 2.75" in the vertical stretch after the sway bar to accommodate a 2.75" bend into the Skunk2 throttle body. My logic was velocity with hot air coming out of the turbo, and minimal restriction after the intercooler.

Some guys tend to be concerned with "too much volume" in the system causing lag, but I think some guys may not be members of the glorious EFR master race
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I got that 6758 man. All that extra inertia might be killing my spool.
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If you find a nicer tight radius 2.75" silicone 90° for the throttle transition, please let me know. I've never liked mine as its still too long, and I had to butcher it to make it fit. I hid my sins under the t-bolt clamps.
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Ok math. Instead of calculating what the engine can flow I'm going to go with what the turbo can flow. It won't give me an exact value. But it will give me a max flow at a boost level.

Soviet did 400whp at ~25psi of boost.

Pressure Ratio:
(25 + 14.7)/14.7 = 2.7






Looking at the 6758 compressor map at a pressure ratio of 1.7 the compressor can flow anywhere between .017kg/s and .40kg/s.

That is 22.4 lb/min and 53 lb/minn. So at 25psi I will be somewhere in that range.

General rule of thumb is like ~10lb/min to hp. So around 25psi, 400hp it should be in the ~40 lb/min range.

40 lb/min / .069 = 579cfm of air.

2" piping
1.57 x 2 = 3.14 sq in
300 cfm = 156 mph = 0.20 mach
400 cfm = 208 mph = 0.27 mach
500 cfm = 261 mph = 0.34 mach
585 cfm max = 304 mph = 0.40 mach

So 2" piping should be reasonable at least up to 25psi and 400hpish.

Worst (best?) case (compressor flowing the most for that pressure ratio) 2" will top out at 26.5psi. I doubt I will be flowing that much.

2" it is. It might choke up trying to hit 400. But I think it will be fine for 350whp. Which is what I'm probably going to try and hit the first time out.

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Pressure ratio should be 2.7 because 25psi is guage pressure, not absolute....

Should be (25+14.7)/14.7=2.7
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ugh. i always forget that.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
ugh. i always forget that.
It took me a while to drill it into my head.
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Edited.
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Cool, now I don't have to do the math for my M45 at 180-200ish on a 1.6. Just gonna run 2".
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But can you get away with 1.5"...
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Originally Posted by aidandj
But can you get away with 1.5"...
The question is not if I can get away with it, but can I find it and the needed couplers for a reasonable price. Snaking the piping from the super past the PS/AC is gonna be the fun part and I may end up with 1.5 anyway....
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Originally Posted by x_25
The question is not if I can get away with it, but can I find it and the needed couplers for a reasonable price. Snaking the piping from the super past the PS/AC is gonna be the fun part and I may end up with 1.5 anyway....
​​​​​​​Silicone intakes sells 1.5" couplers, I don't see 1.5" aluminum pipe on their site though.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
Ok math. Instead of calculating what the engine can flow I'm going to go with what the turbo can flow. It won't give me an exact value. But it will give me a max flow at a boost level.

Soviet did 400whp at ~25psi of boost.

Pressure Ratio:
(25 + 14.7)/14.7 = 2.7






Looking at the 6758 compressor map at a pressure ratio of 1.7 the compressor can flow anywhere between .017kg/s and .40kg/s.

That is 22.4 lb/min and 53 lb/minn. So at 25psi I will be somewhere in that range.

General rule of thumb is like ~10lb/min to hp. So around 25psi, 400hp it should be in the ~40 lb/min range.

40 lb/min / .069 = 579cfm of air.

2" piping
1.57 x 2 = 3.14 sq in
300 cfm = 156 mph = 0.20 mach
400 cfm = 208 mph = 0.27 mach
500 cfm = 261 mph = 0.34 mach
585 cfm max = 304 mph = 0.40 mach

So 2" piping should be reasonable at least up to 25psi and 400hpish.

Worst (best?) case (compressor flowing the most for that pressure ratio) 2" will top out at 26.5psi. I doubt I will be flowing that much.

2" it is. It might choke up trying to hit 400. But I think it will be fine for 350whp. Which is what I'm probably going to try and hit the first time out.
so....exactly what I already said

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yes but he explained it with maths.
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