MSM engine swap in 90 Miata
10-06-2011, 12:01 PM
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MSM engine swap in 90 Miata
I signed up for the forum a few years ago but I haven't been active aside from browsing every once in awhile. I am preparing to swap a Mazdaspeed engine in my Miata and figured I would post the progress here for whoever is interested.
This is my Miata, 1990 that I use for rallycross.
I recently picked up this to transplant in for a little extra power. I got the whole swap (engine with all accessories, intercooler and piping, and complete exhaust) for around what a 1.6L GReddy turbo kit goes for.
I also have a Mazdaspeed suspension setup to go on the car.
I am going to use Megasquirt to control it and ditch the MSM harness and ECU. Basically it will be treated as a 1.8 swap with an aftermarket turbo. I still need to figure out a few details such as what coils/sensors to keep from the MSM engine and what to swap over from the 1.6.
This is my Miata, 1990 that I use for rallycross.
I recently picked up this to transplant in for a little extra power. I got the whole swap (engine with all accessories, intercooler and piping, and complete exhaust) for around what a 1.6L GReddy turbo kit goes for.
I also have a Mazdaspeed suspension setup to go on the car.
I am going to use Megasquirt to control it and ditch the MSM harness and ECU. Basically it will be treated as a 1.8 swap with an aftermarket turbo. I still need to figure out a few details such as what coils/sensors to keep from the MSM engine and what to swap over from the 1.6.
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10-06-2011, 12:13 PM
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Yep, $1100 for the whole thing.
I am not going to use most of the things. I will use the 1.6L CAS, OPS, CTS, etc. I am going with different intercooler piping and a MAF delete. I also don't need the PS pump or AC compressor since my car has neither. Also need to switch to a 94-97 alternator.
I am probably going to use the coils from the MSM, I just need to figure out how to wire them.
Also going with an aftermarket BOV to replace the broken stock plastic one.
I am not going to use most of the things. I will use the 1.6L CAS, OPS, CTS, etc. I am going with different intercooler piping and a MAF delete. I also don't need the PS pump or AC compressor since my car has neither. Also need to switch to a 94-97 alternator.
I am probably going to use the coils from the MSM, I just need to figure out how to wire them.
Also going with an aftermarket BOV to replace the broken stock plastic one.
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10-06-2011, 12:42 PM
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Ease of installation/get it running quicker/I just bought a 90-93 MSPNP.
I am only looking for <200hp for now. Later on I will probably upgrade and use the MSM sensors and build a more capable MS.
I am only looking for <200hp for now. Later on I will probably upgrade and use the MSM sensors and build a more capable MS.
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10-06-2011, 03:26 PM
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In most cases you choose the ECU based on the year of the chassis of the car for wiring harness compatibility and make adjustments and modifications as needed from there. So a 1.8 engine in a 1.6 chassis would use a 90-93 ECU and (for a random example) a 1.6 in a 1.8 chassis, or a rotary even, would use an ECU for whatever 94-05 chassis it is, and so on and so forth.
Good luck with the swap!
Good luck with the swap!
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10-06-2011, 03:50 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback.
I am going with the MS1 and CAS for ease of installation as stated before, I know it isn't the best option available.
I still have the option of DIYPNP and the NB sensors since I haven't started the swap yet. What changes to the 90 harness are needed to run it? Would I just run the wiring for the MSM sensors directly to the MS and not use any of the factory connections (except the plugs at the sensors of course)?
I am going with the MS1 and CAS for ease of installation as stated before, I know it isn't the best option available.
I still have the option of DIYPNP and the NB sensors since I haven't started the swap yet. What changes to the 90 harness are needed to run it? Would I just run the wiring for the MSM sensors directly to the MS and not use any of the factory connections (except the plugs at the sensors of course)?
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10-06-2011, 04:52 PM
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can you run the 1.6 cas and the msm crank sensor?
In most cases you choose the ECU based on the year of the chassis of the car for wiring harness compatibility and make adjustments and modifications as needed from there. So a 1.8 engine in a 1.6 chassis would use a 90-93 ECU and (for a random example) a 1.6 in a 1.8 chassis, or a rotary even, would use an ECU for whatever 94-05 chassis it is, and so on and so forth.
Good luck with the swap!
Good luck with the swap!
example:
1.8 na chassis with nb1 motor: why would you buy a 94-97 ms, when it seems as if it would be much less of a headache to buy the computer that's specifically made for that motor (esp. since its a completely diff motor, and 1.6 ms with a rotary??? now im really lost
) plus then wouldnt you run into tuning nightmares? (trying to get a 1.6 computer to tell a 1.8 how to run). and to my understanding, it will pretty much be plug and play (MS to engine harness) if you match the correct computer to the engine, i also dont see why youd create that other headache for yourself...(im not trying to stir some shitz up. im just trying to learn)
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10-06-2011, 05:07 PM
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and do the na's even have a crank angle sensor? sorry for all the ?'s i just get more confused the more i learn.....
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