Build Threads Building a motor? Post the progress here.

Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-27-2015, 12:21 PM
  #1481  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

Jeff you just bought a torque wrench for almostv what a cheap lathe costs <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg" />
aidandj is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 02:47 AM
  #1482  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

So this happened today...


Trackspeed Engineering COP bracket works with the Toyota 90919-02244 coil. Who knew? (Bracket is installed backwards in above pic.)


A good start...


Good thing the images are still working in the COPs thread.


Bundled up and the first section of heatshrink and loom


I had to bust out the big boy Weller iron to do the joints for the power and ground leads. I'm sure I'll be crucified for soldering but whatever.


Taa-daa! It tones out exactly as does the factory harness. That is, its hardwired for wasted spark. If I decide to set up sequential I'll just build another harness. Loose wire will eventually have a ring terminal so it can ground at the throttle body, just like the factory harness.


Adhesive heat shrink, nylon loom, new plugs and fresh GXL wire. I don't know what it is about building harnesses but I absolutely love doing it. When they work and fit of course.


Fitment is pretty good. My cops sit at a different angle than the ones Andrew uses in his kits, but everything still fits fairly well.


Length looks to be juuuuuust right.


I was a bit concerned where it turns the corner under the head so I triple heat shrink'd it. I may even wrap it with fancy silicone tape and file down the sharp edge on the head.

Anyway, that was fun.
Attached Thumbnails Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-ic95ysc.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-belb3my.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-rgb7ptx.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-xxpgu5l.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-00jb8ey.jpg  

Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-lomfguh.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-cxjaqps.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-q0jcs7l.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-xduswve.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-kidqlzd.jpg  

EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 03:28 AM
  #1483  
Elite Member
 
Jeffbucc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Cedar City, UT
Posts: 2,764
Total Cats: 951
Default

Looks pro, good work G! Wiring is indeed fun if time consuming. It is always the last 10% of the job that takes the longest for me to make it all come together.

By the end of the meth wiring though I was so done!
Jeffbucc is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 04:25 AM
  #1484  
Elite Member
 
Zaphod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,553
Total Cats: 101
Default

I like such clean wiring! Top notch!
Zaphod is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 06:01 AM
  #1485  
Elite Member
iTrader: (21)
 
rleete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 6,593
Total Cats: 1,259
Default

Originally Posted by EO2K
I don't know what it is about building harnesses but I absolutely love doing it. Anyway, that was fun.
You are a sick, sick man. I won't even do wiring diagrams on the computer anymore.
rleete is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 06:24 AM
  #1486  
Senior Member
 
timk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 1,278
Total Cats: 37
Default

What is that around the ground wires? It looks like you wire wrapped it or something.
timk is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 08:48 AM
  #1487  
Senior Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Rallas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lexington SC
Posts: 1,176
Total Cats: 35
Default

Nice, super clean! Makes me want to re-do mine.
Rallas is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 11:02 AM
  #1488  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

Thanks guys! Its really not that hard (he said before testing the harness) provided you take your time and plan it out step by step and DO NOT cheap out on materials. Quality solder/wire/loom/heat shrink makes all the difference in the world.

Originally Posted by timk
What is that around the ground wires? It looks like you wire wrapped it or something.
Good eye! That's pretty much exactly what it is. You take a single strand of wire and use it to mechanically bind the wire bundle together before soldering. It makes bringing together multiple strands MUCH easier. In this case, I've got 4 grounds coming from the individual coils on one end and the ground to the throttle body and harness connector on the other. It's something I thought I invented years ago by applying my mad Boy Scout knot and rope skills to electronics, but I found out in the last couple years its called a "lash splice."

Not my pic, but this is essentially how you do it:



Here is a little more technical description of the splice:



The above says to tin the individual strands before binding, but I usually just hit the ends with my flux pen, bundle, bind and solder.

That's page 82~83 from this document: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/doctree/87394.pdf

In fact, every thing you ever wanted to learn or know about wiring, splicing or installing ends is in that document. It's a fabulous resource and worth saving.
Attached Thumbnails Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-picture25.jpg   Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along-qqebgnb.jpg  
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 12:35 PM
  #1489  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

Also, I forgot to mention... I went to move the car so I could open the garage door on Sunday and the car freaked the hell out. The car had been sitting in the sun all afternoon so it was thoroughly heat soaked into the 80s and the restart was terrible. It struggled to catch and once it did it was super rough, then it started oscillating between almost dying around 300~400 RPM and shooting up to about 2500 RPM. It would go super lean (18 indicated) on th low end and into the 14 range on the high end. Super strange because everything has been kosher up until then.

I got on the throttle and got it under control and it idled fine after that, but I haven not tried to start it since. I want to make sure this isn't a regular thing before I install the COPs. I'll start it tonight when I get home and try to get a log if it happens again. My tune is not the best, but I didn't think it was THAT far out of whack. :(
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 12:39 PM
  #1490  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

<p>Something it could be is IAC valve&nbsp;PID oscillations, or something to do with that. If it happens again look at the IAC duty cycle and if it hunting with it then it is idle tuning that you need to work on. If the duty is constant then it is probably something else.</p>
aidandj is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 12:54 PM
  #1491  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

Yep, thought of that. Again, no laptop and no log so it'll have to wait. I was very surprised and it was more disappointing than anything else. My startups were not perfect, but they were passable and it let me worry about other things. Oh well, back to basics I guess
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 12:56 PM
  #1492  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

I have the SD card slot in the MS, maybe I should just stick a 4gb card in there and tell the MS to log all the things all the time. I think I can make it do that, right?
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 12:58 PM
  #1493  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

<p>Yes I think you can. Why no shadowdash?</p>
aidandj is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:04 PM
  #1494  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

That would require bluetooth or something, and the giant adapter that EFI Analytics sells would never fit under my dash, and I'm lazy.
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:11 PM
  #1495  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

I've got that whole serial port that's completely unused on my MS, I guess I could try to use it for something? I'm a retard when it comes to this stuff, but this looks "easy" to set up? Bluefruit EZ-Link - Bluetooth Serial Link & Arduino Programmer [v1.3] ID: 1588 - $22.50 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits
EO2K is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:11 PM
  #1496  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

<p>False. Don't you read every thread thats ever posted here?</p><p>https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...ication-83116/</p><p>We discuss OTG cables. I have my OTG cable zip tied to my normal usb cable so that I can easily plug it in for tuning with my phone, or unplug it and plug the normal usb bit into my computer.</p>
aidandj is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:12 PM
  #1497  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

<p>I prefer the cable method, but bluetooth works too.</p>
aidandj is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:19 PM
  #1498  
SadFab CEO
iTrader: (3)
 
hi_im_sean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: your mom's house phoenix, AZ
Posts: 4,560
Total Cats: 1,142
Default

what camera do you use for the pics?
hi_im_sean is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:42 PM
  #1499  
Elite Member
 
codrus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Posts: 5,165
Total Cats: 855
Default

Originally Posted by EO2K
I have the SD card slot in the MS, maybe I should just stick a 4gb card in there and tell the MS to log all the things all the time. I think I can make it do that, right?
You can, but unless you have the RTC in it, the MS will reset the timestamp every time it powers on, so you wind up with 256 (which appears to be the max # of files it will create) 5 minute long files and no clue which one was which.

--Ian
codrus is offline  
Old 06-29-2015, 01:45 PM
  #1500  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Very NorCal
Posts: 10,441
Total Cats: 1,899
Default

Believe it or not I don't read everything posted on here.

I feel like it should be super easy to gin up a very compact straight serial to bluetooth adapter, seeing as how they are both using the same stupid RS232 standard.

Why should I not use bluetooth again? I mean, other than my obvious crippling ignorance and lack of ability to understand such things?

Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
what camera do you use for the pics?
Nexus 5 PHONE and a steady hand. I need to remember to change the default resolution on that thing, those pics are GINORMOUS!

Originally Posted by codrus
You can, but unless you have the RTC in it, the MS will reset the timestamp every time it powers on, so you wind up with 256 (which appears to be the max # of files it will create) 5 minute long files and no clue which one was which.

--Ian
Well, that's not as helpful as I thought it would be. (The SD slot, not your comment) IDK if my MS3-B has a RTC or not, I'll have to go check teh specs. Thanks for the heads up though.
EO2K is offline  


Quick Reply: Nothing to see here, just project Sisyphus, move along



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:23 PM.