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Old 12-12-2014, 04:45 PM   #1061
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are you running out of curse words Ben?
it felt really slow to me down low. maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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Nah, i just felt like saying buttfuck as one word. Haven't said it in awhile.

It feels slow down low because of how different it feels up top. The reality is that it's not the slug in traffic like everyone on Miata.net likes to say it is.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:17 PM   #1063
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I know dynos aren't everything but this shows the torque. Its gets up there pretty quick.

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Old 12-12-2014, 06:54 PM   #1064
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Holy ****.

So it's not that a rev limited AP2 wouldn't beat an nice NB2 if limited to 6k, it's just that an unlimited one would really destroy them both.

What moron designed such a shitty car? Who made that engine and thought "yeah, that'll work great."
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:36 PM   #1065
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Have you driven one? It works pretty damn great.

I mean look at that graph. Below 6k rpm it's like a pretty healthy torquey 1.8. Then when VTAAAAAK kicks in it becomes a high revving high power motor. They're a total hoot to drive.

This one I drove this morning... not so much. He said the Vtec was set to switch at like 4000 rpm instead of 6500 like stock (on the AP1). But instead the thing just didn't feel like it pulled quite like it should. Maybe I need a torqueless recalibration after my car though.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:48 PM   #1066
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I'd love to see you hit 6,000 in a corner. Not just you, like haha Ed crashes in the rain, but you as in anyone. Wouldn't want that switch over on a track.
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for serious though: How often are you lower than 4000 RPM on the track in an NA Miata?
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:19 PM   #1068
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Isn't there a reason (as in engineering reason) that VTEC sets in at 6500. Like how vvt has a most effective switchover point. Seems like you could be losing power/torque?

Disclaimer: I know absolutely nothing about Hondas. Paging Efini-FC3S.
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:20 PM   #1069
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The purpose of my question is this:

Never letting the S2k go below 6k RPM still allows you to 3k of usable RPM. In a Miata, on track, 3k of usable RPM is 4000-7000 typically, unless you've bumped that up.

All I'm really saying is that most of the time it'll likely be a moot point it would seem.
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The purpose of my question is this:

Never letting the S2k go below 6k RPM still allows you to 3k of usable RPM. In a Miata, on track, 3k of usable RPM is 4000-7000 typically, unless you've bumped that up.

All I'm really saying is that most of the time it'll likely be a moot point it would seem.
Lol at your build thread turning into Miata vs s2k.
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Lol @ calling this a build thread.
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*destruction thread.
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I think you're in love with the s2k and want validation lol
So get one.
I mean really, they're great cars. Its a 30k honda, not some piece of junk. They did put a lot of engineering into that car.
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hrmph. Seems like a lot of money and effort just to get a big red start button.
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hrmph. Seems like a lot of money and effort just to get a big red start button.
Pretty sure CTSG does red button installs :P
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Pretty sure people need to learn to drive before adding speed to the equipment they're using but that's just me
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s2KS are lovely on track the brakes are awful though.
buy an ap2 if you're going to get one put the oem CR suspension on it, it's amazing.
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What I've noticed:

Drivers that focus on equipment are slow.

Drivers that focus on driving are fast.

Keep it simple and get seat time!
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Old 12-13-2014, 11:51 AM   #1078
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The problem is I want money. So he needs to do a K-swap.

No I'll be honest, cause I've discussed this with Ed:

absurdflow mani+dp+turbo+wastegate=$3k to the right buyer

built msm motor=$3k to the right buyer

tse built 3" exhaust=$500

that's $6.5k, and the k swap costs $4k? Can an engine be had for under $2.5k?

This is assuming once you get all the money out of the engine/turbo setup, half of it doesn't go to shipping and the other half doesn't go to kayaks.

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Can an engine be had for under $2.5k?
Try $600-$1200 depending on trim and who from.
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What I've noticed:

Drivers that focus on equipment are slow.

Drivers that focus on driving are fast.

Keep it simple and get seat time!
Ed, made a post just for you to illustrate: HornetBall's Build #2: Meet Red

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