Jmanwork

Hi, I am rebuilding my 1.8 stock engine on a 95 Miata for the first time. I just removed the pistons to inspect what I have. I am for sure replacing rings bearings and I have already decided on going forged rods. Based on what I've read on the forum and my goals I planned on keeping stock pistons. However, after quick inspection I'm not sure if I should just opt in for new pistons, opinions? I am definitely a noob. Thanks!

Girz0r

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Post photos of all 4 pistons.

For rebuild purposes, there is nothing wrong with oem pistons on a rebuild. Just do your homework.

But... If you have the monies no reason not too grab supertech+wiseco xx rings.

OEM Pistons can probably go up to 300whp if tuned correctly.

Jmanwork

I think I may be able to afford the supertech/wiseco combo if I need them. The thing is though I was setting my goal for around 300whp so I was thinking I could get away with OEM. But if I did wanna bite there bullet would 949 be the place to go for about $550? Here's what all 4 look like.

Girz0r

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They look fine, I'd inspect closely around the tops. Do note if you grab the supertechs you'll likely have to bore out the block so that they fit. Extra costs...

fwiw, I'm pretty much satisfied with my manley forged rods. Snag some ACL bearings if you can... I had to settle with cleavite due to ACL shortages.

psyber_0ptix

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Replace the pistons for fun!

Girz0r

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slowcarfast

Most of the forum vendors sell the supertech/wiseco combo in a variety of diameters and compression ratios. If you get them, you want the 8.6:1 compression ratio. I would want the extra security of running e85 at 300whp on stock pistons, but I tend to be a bit more conservative about such things. Just be careful with your tune if you're on pump gas.

psyber_0ptix

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I can't stop. Instead of doing a timing belt on my 1.6, I swapped and turboed. Such a slippery slope

mmmjesse

needed a new crank pulley for my 1.6. ended up with a vvt motor with manley rods.

very slippery slope! lol

Fab9 has the supertech/wiseco combo for $474

Boring the block to fit the new pistons will run you about $100, so that isnt bad. At least thats the cost around here where i am.

Pistons would give some extra security but your stocks should be fine with a good tune.

Also, it doesnt matter what pistons you run, tune is the absolute most important thing!

psyber_0ptix

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I'd hate for him to want to satisfy an itch later down the road, and realize that the effort and work of pulling the motor and then doing what he should have done in the first place is just more of a burden.

Jmanwork

I want thank everyone for the help . I ordered acl race rod and main bearings. I'm still up in the air about the pistons. Can someone tell me why I shouldn't do this?

Supertech P4 MA8350 N4 4 Piston for Turbo Nitrous Applications for Use with Pi | eBay

It's literally the same model number as listed on 949 for a 5th of the cost. Am I missing something? Besides rings

psyber_0ptix

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That price is per piston. There is no reason you shouldn't do this unless you are really super strapped for cash, at which point, i'm surprised you're rebuilding a motor rather than buying a running one

Jmanwork

Wow I'm actually embarrassed for myself. I can't believe I didn't read or realize that was per piston lol. So basically going through a forum vendor is probably the best option? And based on what was said above I'm probably looking at around $575 for a set of pistons, rings, and a hone. Worth it for the peace of mind even if I'm not planning on making crazy numbers right now?

psyber_0ptix

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It never hurts to know that there are no weak points in your bottom end. Even if the tune is perfect, you know the engine is built enough to handle whatever you want to throw at it.

I'm on Supertech/Eagle rods.

A $600 investment means you will be able to change your setup around in the future if you so desire without having to blink twice about the motor. Aside from an upgraded oil pump and a harmonic damper.


I am happy to send my money to 949. The slight increase in price compared to other vendors is made up by fantastic customer service and great communication. There are cheaper places, but if there's ever an issue with your order, you may never get it rectified and end up spending more to get the correct parts you weren't sent.

Jmanwork

You're right, I think I'm gonna go for it then! Thanks again!

psyber_0ptix

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Do you have a build thread?

Jmanwork

No I don't, and not to sound like a super huge noob but I'm not exactly sure where I would even start with one.

psyber_0ptix

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Also might be worthwhile calling your machine shop first to get an actual quote on machine work. Factor that into your budget to see if it's worthwhile.

psyber_0ptix

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You're in the right sub forum. Just create a thread (or ask mods to modify this one) to include some clever name and state your intentions, post photos of the process, of your cats, of your failures, and successes. Just keep it updated and when you have problems or need guidance we can chime in and follow your work.

Jmanwork

That would be awesome! And I'm sure that would really help me out and it would be cool to see the progress! I have read a lot on the forums before I even posted anything. And it seems like the thing that irritates people the most is whenever a dumb question is asked that's already been answered 500 times. I'm not trying to be like that but at the same time it is nice to have help on your specific build (in my case piston wear.) Maybe I should start a new thread so it's fresh.

As far as the machine shop goes I probably should call considering I've never even been to one before lol.