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Old 03-24-2016, 01:28 PM   #21
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I first saw this story 2 days ago, but it was only in places of questionable objectivity (eg: Fox news and ultra-conservative blogs.) It's now been reported by both The Post and CBS News, so I guess it's real.

The short version is that someone expressed a political opinion on a college campus, and the students are now traumatized, feel unsafe, etc. And they are literally petitioning the university to condemn and suppress free political speech. The political opinion was not "All women deserve to be raped by AIDS-infected football players after being roofied" or anything like that. The opinion, written in chalk on a sidewalk was, in its entirety, the following:

"Trump 2016."


Let me repeat. A bunch of university students are petitioning their own university to enjoin PRIOR RESTRAINT ON POLITICAL SPEECH.

This is one of those rare moments when I just can't even...


Someone wrote ‘Trump 2016’ on Emory’s campus in chalk. Some students said they no longer feel safe.
By Susan Svrluga March 24 at 6:00 AM


Chalk messages in support of Donald Trump at Emory University. (Photos courtesy of Amelia Sims)


Conservative students at Emory University are planning a free-speech event for next week, after an outcry on campus over messages supporting Donald Trump.

Students woke up Monday morning to find messages written in chalk all over campus, in support of Donald Trump. That afternoon, a group of 40 to 50 students protested. According to the student newspaper, the Emory Wheel, they shouted in the quad, “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” and then students moved into the administration building calling out, “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.”

Jim Wagner, the president of the university in Atlanta, met with the protesters and later sent an email to the campus community, explaining, in part, “During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation.

“After meeting with our students, I cannot dismiss their expression of feelings and concern as motivated only by political preference or over-sensitivity. Instead, the students with whom I spoke heard a message, not about political process or candidate choice, but instead about values regarding diversity and respect that clash with Emory’s own.”

The story spread quickly, as media such as Reason mocked, “At Emory University, Writing ‘Trump 2016′ on Sidewalk Is a Racist Microaggression …,” with references to students needing “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” to protect them from presidential candidates’ names and slogans. For many, it was another sign of college students being so overly sensitive that even political campaigning could be seen as hate speech.

But some students noted that given Trump’s rhetoric, the messages were clearly meant to be divisive. And the slogans appeared weeks after Georgia held its primary election on March 1.



Student petition being shared on social media at Emory

Representatives of the Emory Latino Student Organization declined to comment Wednesday. But they posted a statement on their group Facebook page:
Yesterday, the Emory community was witness to an act of cowardice, when someone decided to plaster pro-Donald Trump slogans all over campus. The people who did this knew that what they were doing was wrong, because why else would they do so in the dead of night when no one else could witness them? They did not do this merely to support the presidential candidate, but to promote the hate and discrimination that goes along with him. While some students only see the name of a potential nominee, others see hostility and venom which promises to destroy lives.

The Emory Latino Student Organization condemns this as an act meant to instigate division on our campus. We have the freedom of speech in this country to express different ideas. But it is un-American to support hatred against others, and that is exactly what Donald Trump is doing.

Rather than use censorship and retaliation, we know that Emory has the courage to stand firm. Not with fear, but with confidence. Not with hate, but with love. This act which was meant to create discord among the Emory community ultimately serves to further unite us.
A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday.

Amelia Sims, a senior from Memphis who is chair of the college Republicans at Emory, said she isn’t disagreeing that Trump has said insensitive things, and she believes people have the right to protest. “Those kinds of discussions are important to have on campus. But I think the response from President Wagner was just kind of embarrassing for the school — because it’s not his job to police who students on campus can and cannot support.”

She said the college Republicans — whose executive board supports one of Trump’s opponents, Ted Cruz — and another campus group, Young Americans for Liberty, plan to host a “free speech wall.”

“… Part of being in college is having experiences where you question your values, question what you believe. College is meant to be a time when you have diversity. Not just diversity of race but diversity of opinion, diversity of culture. It should not be that universities are just echo boxes, so people can’t encounter opinions they disagree with.”



A university spokeswoman sent a statement clarifying the policy violation: “Chalkings by students are allowed as a form of expression on the Emory campus but must be limited to certain areas and must not deface campus property — these chalkings did not follow guidelines — that’s the issue regarding violation of policy, not the content. ”





Here is Wagner’s message in full:

Dear Emory Community,

Yesterday I received a visit from 40 to 50 student protesters upset by the unexpected chalkings on campus sidewalks and some buildings yesterday morning, in this case referencing Donald Trump. The students shared with me their concern that these messages were meant to intimidate rather than merely to advocate for a particular candidate, having appeared outside of the context of a Georgia election or campus campaign activity. During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation.

After meeting with our students, I cannot dismiss their expression of feelings and concern as motivated only by political preference or over-sensitivity. Instead, the students with whom I spoke heard a message, not about political process or candidate choice, but instead about values regarding diversity and respect that clash with Emory’s own.

As an academic community, we must value and encourage the expression of ideas, vigorous debate, speech, dissent, and protest. At the same time, our commitment to respect, civility, and inclusion calls us to provide a safe environment that inspires and supports courageous inquiry. It is important that we recognize, listen to, and honor the concerns of these students, as well as faculty and staff who may feel similarly.

On the heels of work begun by students last fall and advanced last month through the Racial Justice Retreat and subsequent working groups, Emory is taking a number of significant steps:

Immediate refinements to certain policy and procedural deficiencies (for example, our bias incident reporting and response process);
Regular and structured opportunities for difficult dialogues (like the Transforming Community Project of several years ago);
A formal process to institutionalize identification, review, and addressing of social justice opportunities and issues; and
Commitment to an annual retreat to renew our efforts.
To keep moving forward, we must continue to engage in rich and meaningful dialogue around critical issues facing our nation and our society. I learn from every conversation like the one that took place yesterday and know that further conversations are necessary. More than that, such discussions should lead to action that continues to foster a more just and inclusive Emory.

Sincerely,
Jim Wagner
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Wait people at a college are getting upset over chalk tags saying TRUMP? Hell when I was at GMU from 2005-2010, chalk writing was all over the place on the sides of buildings and on sidewalks. I know there are plenty of times that I was drunk at night and drew *****'s and used vulgar language on the sidewalks.
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Unbelievable. I'm embarrassed to be part of this generation.
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I get it.

Usually parents don't give these children chalk as they eat it.
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Unbelievable. I'm embarrassed to be part of this generation.
I don't believe that it represents a majority opinion among all current-gen university students, however demands that political speech be prohibited on a university campus is easily one of the most disturbing trends I can recall witnessing in recent memory, no matter how small the voice in question.

I'm serious. People DIED protesting against the restraint of political speech on college campuses during the decade in which I was born. They were gunned down by national guardsmen for exercising their first-amendment rights. And now, 40 years later, we have kids on these same campuses DEMANDING their first-amendment rights be taken away?

This is utterly incomprehensible. And I'm not speaking out of hyperbole here, I literally cannot wrap my head around this concept. These kids are saying that speaking in favor of Trump is a micro-aggression. It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them.
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I can't either. The worst part is its the vocal minority that gives us a bad name. I'm to busy actually doing **** in my life to waste time shitting about all these little triggers. The most vocal of my acquaintances on facebook all are at college on their parents dime studying liberal arts and planning on living with their parents again when they get home
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Emory is only a 4.5 hour drive from me. This weekend do I work on turbo setup or do I constantly tag their campus with chalk TRUMP signs?

Actually I am going to be in ATL I believe next month for a Friday night concert. I am very tempted to go out afterwards and have fun with chalk.
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It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them.
They'd be the first to go
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What I should really do is chalk their campus in Trump Friday night and see if they protest on Saturday. Then Saturday night chalk their campus in Bernie and see if they protest on Sunday. Would be a good social experiment.
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We wish to be inclusive and encourage free speech unless we don't agree with you. If we disagree with your opinion then we will fight to remove your right to free political speech.

I hear, "Diversity and freedom and inclusion means you must think just like me, do just like me, or be excluded from my world."
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We wish to be inclusive and encourage free speech unless we don't agree with you. If we disagree with your opinion then we will fight to remove your right to free political speech.

I hear, "Diversity and freedom and inclusion means you must think just like me, do just like me, or be excluded from my world."
Sounds like people I have met from every generation. Some people are reasonably and can consider other oppions, others think they are right and that is that...
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I will fight to preserve the rights of others to their political speech, even if I disagree with them. That is the fundamental difference.
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I will fight to preserve the rights of others to their political speech, even if I disagree with them. That is the fundamental difference.
I wish I could + in this forum.

Any American can espouse any moronic idea or viewpoint that they wish. They can rant about it via whatever means are available to them.

I don't have to like it. I don't have to respect it. I don't even have to tolerate it.

But the idea that I would attempt to suppress their fundamental right to express said idea? It's utterly inconceivable. I shall merely utilize my own right to free expression to mock, ridicule, and humiliate them to my heart's content.

The correct response to bad speech has always been more speech.
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Brownshirts burning books in the 1930s. This is exactly the same thing. It leads to the same end. I'm sickened.
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As a hard working ambitious young capitalist born in the 90s I for one enjoy the lack of competition.
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As an almost German: that word is actually not even close to proper German, it is just completely random.
Still: it would be nice if we had such a word.

Anyway, as for Generation Wuss, I fail to get on with them. My ex-girlfriend was very obsessed with Instagram and very proud of all her followers. To me all those stupid selfies and other random photos were pointless.

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I can speak from first hand experience that it really does show in the job market. I work at a tree company that my parents own, also at a few other companies. The two factors that I see people leaving from is drugs or having to work a 40 hour week. People have gotten extremely lazy in no small part by help of the gov't. Why work when someone else can pay for it?
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I don't believe that it represents a majority opinion among all current-gen university students, however demands that political speech be prohibited on a university campus is easily one of the most disturbing trends I can recall witnessing in recent memory, no matter how small the voice in question.

I'm serious. People DIED protesting against the restraint of political speech on college campuses during the decade in which I was born. They were gunned down by national guardsmen for exercising their first-amendment rights. And now, 40 years later, we have kids on these same campuses DEMANDING their first-amendment rights be taken away?

This is utterly incomprehensible. And I'm not speaking out of hyperbole here, I literally cannot wrap my head around this concept. These kids are saying that speaking in favor of Trump is a micro-aggression. It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them.
It makes one wonder what these students are ACTUALLY learning these days.
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I have a 20-something y/o son. Here's a recent conversation;

Son: Dad, I just lost my job. [An often reoccurring event]

Me: What happened this time?

Son: I had a bad headache, so I didn't go in - and they had the nerve to fire me!

Me: So this was the first time that happened [on this job]?

Son: No...I didn't go in a week ago 'cause I overslept, and...the week before I had to go to court 'cause of my baby-momma...

Me: And you told them about that, right?

Son: Yeah, after I got back...

Me: And you knew about the court date before?

Son: Well...yeah.

Me: And you couldn't tell them about it before the court date?

Son: I didn't think...

Me: You're right. You didn't think!

[pause]

Son: Dad, can I borrow $20?

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