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Old 03-25-2016, 01:34 PM   #41
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Most of these kids have never heard the word "no". I definitely learned this when managing a team of college kids. Most of them couldn't take any criticism. If I told them to remake a part because it was out of tolerance, they'd get fed up and quit. Or if I'd get upset at them for not meeting a deadline, they'd go behind my back and talk **** about me to other teammates. They're making it all the way to college without ever putting in real work, suffering through consequences, figuring things out without google, or even doing a load of laundry.

Despite the negatives of the situation, I'm certainly fortunate that I grew up with my single Mom who had a vision disability. It forced (more like allowed, because I would never complain about helping her) me to help balance her check book with her, read through documents when buying a house, help her take the bus to a new side of town, or proofread her writing.
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Recognizing that a certain percentage of any large group of people, of any generation, are bound to naturally be slackers, I wonder the following:

As a broad generalization, is there a noticeable difference in the number of teens and 20-somethings today who have significant life goals and ambitions, or in the strength and reasonableness of said ambitions, as compared to those of my generation, or that of my parents and grandparents, at the same age?

In other words, when I was five, I wanted to be an astronaut. That isn't really a reasonable ambition for most people, and I didn't pursue it in any way. But when I was 18, I wanted to be an engineer. So I became one. It took a while, and some hard work was involved, but now I have money, power, good wine, fine clothes, the admiration of my peers, and access to genetically-desirable breeding partners.

By comparison, some of the people I went to school with still have crappy jobs and crappy lives, because they were some combination of talentless / lazy / stupid / just don't care. And, of course, there are a few at the other end of the scale who are highly-successful doctors / lawyers / investment bankers / etc., who make me look downright average by comparison.


So if we were to plot a bell curve for each generation, in which the X-axis represents motivation and ambition ranging from "is basically a lazier version of Jeff Lebowski" to "holds Nobel prizes in both physics and lovemaking, and was appointed Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court after retiring from the Marine Corps" what would they look like when overlaid?
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I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.

The most active people on my facebook/social media sites are the ones with no jobs living at home. I graduated in a class of 300+ engineers, and many of us are working full time jobs contributing to society.

Just because you hear about all the lazy ******** doesn't mean there are any more of them.
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I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.
I have no doubt that this is true.

And the increasingly low barriers to entry to the modern mass-media have also allowed people who are ignorant, easily butthurt, and have an insatiable need for acknowledgement to utilize it as a tool in order to achieve the recognition which they require.


But does it go both ways? Is there a feedback effect by which the portrayal of people shouting for safe spaces and yelling about how offended they are actually causes the social normalization of said behavior, and thus causes others to behave in this manner?


Or, put another way, nobody at my University ever petitioned for the redaction of the First Amendment, or called for the resignation of the chancellor / dean / president on the grounds that zhe* invited a speaker to university who said something other than "you are a special snowflake," or what have you.

* = note use of non-binary, gender-neutral pronoun.
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I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.

The most active people on my facebook/social media sites are the ones with no jobs living at home. I graduated in a class of 300+ engineers, and many of us are working full time jobs contributing to society.

Just because you hear about all the lazy ******** doesn't mean there are any more of them.
I tend to agree with this.

Maybe the bell curve would be skewed a bit (Cpk) but the Cp would be the same. Or maybe it's Ppk and Pp in this case.

No doubt my parents had this same discussion and their parents before them...
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You know how successful business owners often have overprivileged sons who waste all daddy's money and run the company into the ground shortly after being given the reins? We are about 20 years from handing our country over to an entire generation of those same kids.
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You know how successful business owners often have overprivileged sons who waste all daddy's money and run the company into the ground shortly after being given the reins? We are about 20 years from handing our country over to an entire generation of those same kids.
Reminds me of the old saying; “Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”.
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A substantial difference between the past and today is that the government is supporting the bottem end of the bell curve. A bum used to be a bum. Now they are on disability taking home more than those who work.

Reminds me of the couple in The UK a few years back, where she played the part of a pet, and he led her around everywhere on a leash. They were supported by the welfare system there and planned to continue doing nothing but parading about like that for the rest of their lives.
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One definite change is the bell curve for first job (finalized ed) being shifted higher.
My father took his first job at 14, I took my first just before 30.
Not the center of the curve, but today's social media specialist are older before they leave the nest.
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more chalk:

https://www.foramerica.org/2016/03/16806/

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The University of Kansas is investigating pro-Donald Trump chalk that appeared on campus sidewalks Tuesday morning.

KU students took to Twitter this week to express their outrage over the political speech, saying they are troubled that some of their classmates are Trump supporters, and even comparing the chalk messages to the confederate flag.

The university said that they would have allowed students to chalk had they applied for approval, but allegedly had staff remove the unapproved chalking the day it was discovered.

Former student senator Shegufta Huma, however, argued that approval from the University is less important than the message itself, tweeting a photo of one chalking with the caption, “Is this the post-racial paradise folks pretend exists?”

“The issue isn’t whether a student chalked or if it was approved,” Huma tweeted later. “The issue is folks in the KU vicinity support a racist, sexist demagogue.”

Nor were the students mollified when the KU News service pointed out that the chalking may have been done by someone from outside the school community.

“@KUnews does it matter? The presence of support is on campus, and that’s enough,” KU student Brittany Bodenheimer tweeted in reply. “Almost more concerning if it wasn’t a Jayhawk.”

Some didn’t like the University’s response to Huma, who was one of the first to complain about the chalk on Twitter. Rock Chalk Invisible Hawks, the group behind last semester’s on-campus protests,which included the harassment of a charity fundraiser, tweeted that KU should have denounced the “Trump propaganda,” and instead was “defensive.” They also suggested in a separate tweetthat KU should “intervene.”

Bodenheimer tweeted that KU “plays down student concerns” and just pretends to listen.

The University does have a clearly-stated policy requiring prior approval for chalking, saying that “all other chalking is subject to immediate removal and the individuals or groups responsible may be charged the cost of cleanup.”

This comes just a week after a similar incident occurred at Emory University, which caused the school’s student government to allocate funds to help support students traumatized by the chalk.
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Well, I was moving away from Lawrence. Had to leave something behind
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A racist, sexist demagogue? Like Malcolm X?

Or Kweisi Mfume?
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A racist, sexist demagogue? Like Malcolm X?

Or Kweisi Mfume?


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welcome to the circus.


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Here’s a little pick me up for your Friday morning. If you needed one. Wherever you stand on Donald Trump, put it aside for a tiny second. Because it doesn’t matter where you line up on the Donald to enjoy this. Sure, there are rational reasons to oppose Donald Trump. Yet, for some reason, leftist protesters insist on protesting in a way that just makes more people want to support who they are protesting. Take this Anti-Trump protester, who this time at least made protesting that more…entertaining.

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Everyone in gymnastics knows to stick the landing. Guess this guy didn’t get the memo.

Word of advice to you protesters out there: keep doing this. Please, for the love of all things humor, mock and rail on against whatever candidate you hate at the moment. Please, for the love of all things humor, berate that candidate’s supporters with colorful (yet unoriginal) insults, cuss words, dirtiness. Please, for the love of all things humor, look as ridiculous as possible. That includes bandanas in long hair, guys. Take note. Then, please, for the love of all things humor, make a complete *** out of yourself by backflipping on your head.


If you’ve ever been to a political rally, where tolerant leftists come out to tell you off for *pick your reason* I’m sorry I’ve henceforth ruined all future rallies. What are the odds a leftist will backflip on his own head for your viewing pleasure? Slim. Also, earlier this week, a teenage girl got pepper-sprayed to the face after cold-cocking someone in the crowd. Yes, also at a Trump rally in Wisconsin.

Lesson for leftists who protest? You’re idiots. But we do thank those of you who prove it through your own actions. Saves us the trouble. Provides us some laughs.
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“I am sick and tired of seeing people who look like you and I [black] come in my courtroom, and I have to sentence them to prison,” Colvin later said. “And then you hear them fussing on TV about African Americans being in the prison system. Well, guess what, if you don’t do what it takes to there, you won’t be a part of it. You already know the game. If you know they [the police] come into your community more than they do in other communities, then guess what, you’ve got a heads up. So that means you’ve got to do what’s right, right?”
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Disclaimer: The New York Post is kind of borderline tabloid, frequently employs hyperbole and sensationalism, and is owned by News Corp, so take this with a grain of salt:



NYU students who back Trump afraid to show their faces
By Melkorka Licea April 2, 2016 | 11:44pm

NYU’s pro-Trump students fear for their safety — and grades.

They may be flooding caucus rooms across the country, but Donald Trump supporters at NYU keep their heads down, mouths shut and their correspondence secret.

Lying in class about their political beliefs and keeping online conversations strictly private are typical precautions taken by The Donald’s badly outnumbered followers on campus.

“Supporters generally try to keep it hidden from the rest of the student body,” said junior Dylan Perera, 22. “They’re afraid of losing friends, being ridiculed in class, getting worse grades and are even afraid of being assaulted and physically hurt.”

The computer-science major from LA said he was verbally accosted by a student who had asked about his affiliation.

“She freaked out and started yelling and screaming in my face, calling me a racist and a fascist. It was impossible to even have a conversation,” he said.

Another student was so concerned about being outed as a Trump supporter that he reserved a private room on campus — for “security reasons” — to speak to a Post reporter. He recalled being ostracized by his “radical social-justice warrior” roommates. “Their hatred towards me started escalating after we had a few political discussions,” he said.

As Trump spoke during a televised GOP debate he was watching, his roommates drowned out the candidate by playing an anti-Trump video on their computer at maximum volume.

“Either you’re on their side or you’re a racist f–k, in their eyes,” the student said. “I’ve learned just to bottle up [my response]” to such antagonizing.

The anonymous, 21-year-old Princeton, NJ, native said he was unmasked as a Trump supporter by a professor Friday, even after he had specifically asked in an e-mail that the teacher not bring up his political views.

“He was explaining what platitudes are to the class, and he brought up Trump as an example. How him saying, ‘I’m great,’ is a platitude,” he recalled. “It got a big laugh from the class and then he looked right at me and said, ‘Sorry, I had to get one in.’”

The singled-out student said he was “ freaking out and trying to play it cool and then said something like, ‘What are you looking at me for?’”

He said he fears being “shunned or attacked,” calling both “equally degrading.”

Disaffected Trumpers on the famously liberal 57,000-student campus have begun to gather in undetectable ways, through Facebook and in one-on-one meet-ups.

“It’s really decentralized” because “most people are too afraid to start an official group,” explained Perera of the “word-of-mouth network.” He estimates there are about 30 unofficial “members” of the Trump underground.

Another junior, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, said she typically steers clear of public debates that will reveal her pro-Trump beliefs.

“It can get hostile,” she said, recalling recent political spats between students on Facebook. “They’ll usually throw around words like ‘racist’ or ‘bigot’ about Trump and then call the students trying to defend him ‘delusional.’”

She recently was emboldened enough to “like” a student’s post that bravely defended the GOP front-runner in a Facebook thread.

Yet many are still firmly in the campaign closet.

“I’ve been too smart to paint a target on my head and take that kind of heat,” said one anonymous student.

“It’s just not worth it.”


NYU students who back Trump afraid to show their faces | New York Post
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However, here's basically the same story reported by The Gothamist, which is definately not a bastion of pro-conservatism.


NYU Students Supporting Trump Are Afraid To Come Out Of The Drumpf Closet
BY BEN YAKAS IN NEWS ON APR 3, 2016 11:40 AM

With anti-Trump rallies happening practically every week this spring, it might seem like New Yorkers have finally found something they can agree upon (besides the fact that NYC sucks and no one else should try to live here). However, it seems Donald Trump has a group of NYU student supporters who have hesitantly begun to vocalize their love for the least credible presidential candidate in modern history.

Shockingly, it seems that the overwhelmingly-liberal NYU might not be the most pleasant place for Trump fans: "Supporters generally try to keep it hidden from the rest of the student body," junior Dylan Perera told the Post today. "They’re afraid of losing friends, being ridiculed in class, getting worse grades and are even afraid of being assaulted and physically hurt."

Perera, who was the only Trump supporter willing to let the Post publish his name, said he has been hounded by fellow students for his views: "[One woman] freaked out and started yelling and screaming in my face, calling me a racist and a fascist. It was impossible to even have a conversation," he said, which is basically the inverse of how many Trump supporters have embraced malignant stubbornness in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump's unique stupidity.

Perera estimates there may be as many as 30 Trump supporters at the school, but there is no official group or meet-ups: "It’s really decentralized," he told the Post, because "most people are too afraid to start an official group." One anonymous student told them he was ostracized by his "radical social-justice warrior" roommates ("Their hatred towards me started escalating after we had a few political discussions"); another said his professor made a Trump joke at his expense.

"There are definitely a decent number of Trump supporters at NYU that are hiding in the closet," freshman Daniel Hyun, who wears his "Make America Great Again" hat around campus, told NYU News. "When I tell people I’m a Trump supporter, they just laugh it off. They don’t like to believe that there are non-white Trump supporters. But once you wear the hat, you accept the fact that people aren’t going to like you, but it feels pretty weird to hide my political beliefs in a place that is so diverse."

"Like me, most of [the other Trump supporters on campus] don’t even support absolutely everything Trump says, like building a wall and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants," he added, leaving one to wonder what exactly he agrees with Trump about. Is it his views on abortion, which have changed five times over the last week? Is it his foreign policy views, which our current president called stunningly ignorant?

"I know what the spirit of the campus is so I keep quiet about my views just because it makes the day go easier," junior Jillian Spataro, who is planning to vote for Trump, told NYU News. "I do hear the side comments and see the Facebook pages. As a registered Republican, it’s just easier for me to turn a blind eye instead of getting involved."

Last year, NYU alum Megan Powers took a job out of school to become a Trump campaign coordinator, and brought NYU Local on a tour of Trump's campaign offices in NYC. "Everyone has fans and everyone has people who aren’t fans," she said at the time. "I’ve had a lot of my friends want to talk to me about it because they think it’s so interesting. They ask me kind of the same things you’re asking me: what’s it like and do you actually like him, do you actually think he’s good? And I think Mr. Trump is fantastic."


http://gothamist.com/2016/04/03/nyu_...rump_are_a.php
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And on Washington Square News, which is the student-run newspaper of NYU, and is most definitely of a liberal bias in most affairs. I especially like the quote at the end, which I've highlighted for emphasis.


The Quiet Life of NYU’s Trump Supporters
Taylor Nicole Rogers, Staff Writer March 28, 2016

Despite its hallmark diversity, NYU is predominantly liberal on the political spectrum. This leaves one group uncharacteristically quiet in the political conversation on campus: supporters of Donald Trump.

However, this does not mean Trump supporters do not exist on campus. According to Tandon junior Jillian Spataro, who plans to vote for Donald Trump, the negative attitude toward Trump makes them reluctant to speak their minds.

“I know what the spirit of the campus is so I keep quiet about my views just because it makes the day go easier,” Spataro said. “I do hear the side comments and see the Facebook pages. As a registered Republican, it’s just easier for me to turn a blind eye instead of getting involved.”

Stern freshman Daniel Hyun recounted receiving looks from NYU students and staff alike while wearing his “Make America Great Again” hat.

“When I tell people I’m a Trump supporter, they just laugh it off,” Hyun said. “They don’t like to believe that there are non-white Trump supporters. But once you wear the hat, you accept the fact that people aren’t going to like you, but it feels pretty weird to hide my political beliefs in a place that is so diverse.“

Tandon junior Dylan Perera said that in the few times he has divulged his political standpoint, NYU students have not reacted well.

“People usually react very negatively, sometimes even violently,” Perera said. “One time someone started screaming in my face. I forgot exactly how it came out, but I ended up saying that I do support Trump, and then everything went south right away.”

Although Hyun knows several other Trump supporters on campus, he suspects that incidents like these contribute to their lack
of organization.

“There are definitely a decent number of Trump supporters at NYU that are hiding in the closet,” Hyun said. “Like me, most of them don’t even support absolutely everything Trump says, like building a wall and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants.”

The students who support Trump felt that it was hypocritical for the student body to be so hostile toward Trump supporters.

“This campus can be inclusive, but only to a point,” Spataro said. “Just like the world in general, they claim they’re inclusive, but up to a point.”

“A lot of students preach tolerance and open-mindedness,” Perera said. “But when someone comes that goes against their viewpoint, they automatically disregard all of that open-mindedness and tolerance. I think it hurts the dialogue. I always try to understand every side. You can’t demonize the people that hold a viewpoint; you have to try to understand them and where they are coming from. That’s when you can have a constructive dialogue.”


WSN : The Quiet Life of NYU?s Trump Supporters
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One of many articles on the topic, but if you are active duty Army, or an Army veteran, you understand why this is just sad to say the least.

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