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Old 01-08-2013, 07:34 PM   #361
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Hitler required that the Jewish register their personal property. It turned out to be nothing more than a mere inconvenience, of course...


...oh wait...
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:36 PM   #362
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Hitler required that the Jewish register their personal property. It turned out to be nothing more than a mere inconvenience, of course...


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I heard he just took all their gold so that he could deposit it in banks to keep it safe.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:46 PM   #364
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In fairness, having the concealed carry permit and concealed firearm did not prevent the robbery and, if the criminal had intended murder, would not have prevented that, either.


This was written about firearm violence and the Gunshine State.
As state and national legislators consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The Firearm-involved violent crime rate has dropped 33 percent between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapons permits rose nearly 90 percent during that time, state records show.
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But other state and national data suggests a more nuanced picture of gun violence.

Florida statistics show murderers are increasingly using firearms. Between 2000 and 2005, Florida's firearm-involved murder rate never topped 3.5 per 100,000 residents. Every year since, it's exceeded that number. And in 2011, for the first time on record, guns were used in more than 70 percent of homicides.
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What don't you people understand? We need to pass more laws to stop these criminals from breaking laws!
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:30 AM   #366
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im getting a ******* rocket propelled grenade launcher, not a rocket launcher. **** you gays.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:03 AM   #367
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The argument then comes full circle about the number of people killed every year in cars. On average, 11,000 people each year are killed BY DRUNK DRIVERS ALONE... we call them "accidents". Yet we don't hold bars/bartender accountable when a dude leaves there drunk and t-bones a minivan, or thehost of a party, or the liquor company, or the car manufacturer, or the guy who designed the traffic lights... yadda yadda.
There have actually been cases where the highlighted parties have been held accountable on both a criminal and civil basis. The circumstances must be very specific but it can be done.

I agree with the rest of your argument though.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:24 AM   #368
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I don't care for either of those but it was nice to see that chav ------ get a taste of his own medicine...which is rhinocerous ejaculate.



CNN laughs about plotting murder.
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This is disgusting. We can't have this kind of senseless violence. I demand congress move forward on sweeping legislation on ferries and stop the sale, distribution and transfer of ferries that carry more then 30 people. If only 30 people had been on this boat we may of only had 1 injury instead of the 50. And even if it prevents 1 injury. It is worth it. Think about the kids THE KIDS!!!

Ferry Crashes in Lower Manhattan, Dozens Injured | NBC New York
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Anyone who owns a ferry that can carry more than 30 people should be killed by said ferry.
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"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
This executive order crap is getting out of hand. Screw checks and balances and the constitution they were written to protect.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:00 AM   #373
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NRA whitehouse meeting was just a dog and pony show to make it look like they wanted to talk. Crap is about to get real.

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Statement From the National Rifle Association of America Regarding Today's White House Task Force Meeting

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Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.
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Got my gun card today. What should I buy?
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Got my gun card today. What should I buy?
20- and especially 30-round AR magazines

full size magazines for any semi-auto pistol you might see yourself buying in the near future.

If there is no other immediate change to gun-laws, the one thing the gun-world predicts you will lose is the right to buy is magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds.

Even though yesterday's california school shooting involved only 3 shots fired from a shotgun...
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Got my gun card today. What should I buy?
Glock 17 or 19 or M&P 9 and many magazines.

30 round AR mags and a QUALITY AR.

Anything else that tickles your fancy.
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Good luck finding any magazines. PMAG is backlogged over 1million mags. (I know there are other manufacturers, just using this to show how crazy stuff has gotten)
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I really doubt anything is going to actually pass. The only thing that might take effect for some short time is an executive order and I am not sure Obama is gonna use that much political capital on gun control. He has the debt ceiling and immigration reform to deal with on the top of his agenda. I'll wait until this stuff is all over with and buy when prices go back down.
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I really doubt anything is going to actually pass. The only thing that might take effect for some short time is an executive order and I am not sure Obama is gonna use that much political capital on gun control. He has the debt ceiling and immigration reform to deal with on the top of his agenda. I'll wait until this stuff is all over with and buy when prices go back down.
The outcome of the current anti/pro-gun craziness is certainly not going to result in "nothing".

I agree that I don't see an AWB or Magazine Ban happening in the near future, but that didn't stop me from back-odering a 10pk of PMAGs from Brownells a few weeks ago. And as soon as I see Glock 19 mags for sale anywhere other than Gunbroker or Craigslist for $50ea, I'm gonna get a dozen... and some 33rd'ers for my future Sub2000k purchase.

Politicians are all lawyers and businessmen... they're not stupid. Every one of them to the last man knows exactly how little impact an AWB or Mag-ban will have on crime. If the pro-guns types really wanted to stop an AWB or mag-ban in it's tracks when they saw the inevitable writing on the wall that it WAS going to happen... is insist that the law also apply to law enforcement.

The pure fact that any company that sells any type of product is back-ordered 1,000,000 of them is enough of a indicator that "Americans" really like their AR's.

What I do see happening is the NRA supporting actual enforcement of the many current laws on the books that stand a chance of curtailing the crazies from legally purchasing guns... ie, getting data into the NICS system for a better screen. Also, stepping up prosecution of straw-buyers.

I personally would love to have a public-access NICS system where I (along with a seller/buyer) could sit down at a computer and a citizen could run their own background check on a potential buyer. Ie... if you wanted to buy a used gun, you had to create an account within NICS and then authorize a seller to perform a check. There is no personal information provided within NICS, the system just gives you the Yes/No approval. Getting people to utilize the system would be hard, but as a "law abiding" person, I'd do it just as an extra "cover my ***" step... so would many others.

If NICS become mandatory for private sales, I can see gunstores having "This Monday Only... FREE background checks with purchase of $100 of ammo" types of events.

In any case, behind closed doors, all laws that get passed are a compromise between the parties to give/take. In order to keep an AWB off the table, I think something is going to have to give... maybe this is an opportunity to force Constitutional Carry at the Federal Level... give the MAY ISSUE states a kick to the *****. Can you imagine what Feinstein would say if she was forced with deciding over a Federal AWB, or having California go SHALL ISSUE?
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I would love to go on a killing spree with chopsticks or something to get those banned.


fork chopsticks.
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