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Old 01-13-2014, 09:41 PM   #921
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^Correct. The reason to open carry in Florida when you are fishing is that you might find yourself face-first with an alligator... having a concealed weapon increases the possibility that you may not be able to get the gun out and in play before being eaten.
Open carrying when out in the wild is a very smart thing to do no matter where you are, but places that are frequented by top-tier predators... kinda dumb not to. Plus, the ladies love OC.
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^Correct. The reason to open carry in Florida when you are fishing is that you might find yourself face-first with an alligator... having a concealed weapon increases the possibility that you may not be able to get the gun out and in play before being eaten.
Open carrying when out in the wild is a very smart thing to do no matter where you are, but places that are frequented by top-tier predators... kinda dumb not to. Plus, the ladies love OC.
I feel like we need Pusha for this part of the conversation.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:00 AM   #923
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Jackson: Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland

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HUDSON – John Filippidis, silver-haired family man, business owner, employer and taxpayer, is also licensed to carry a concealed firearm.

He’d rather he didn’t feel the need, “but things aren’t like they used to be. The break-ins, the burglaries, all the crime. And I carry cash a lot of the time. I’m constantly going to the bank.

“I wanted to be able to defend my family, my household and the ground I’m standing on. But I’m not looking for any trouble.”

Filippidis keeps his gun — a palm-sized Kel-Tec .38 semiautomatic, barely larger than a smartphone in a protective case — in one of two places, always: in the right-hand pocket of his jeans, or in the safe at home.

“There are kids in the house,” Filippidis says, “and I don’t think they’d ever bother with it, but I don’t want to take any chances.”

He’s not looking for any trouble, after all.

Trouble, in fact, was the last thing on his mind a few weeks back as the Filippidises packed for Christmas and a family wedding in Woodridge, N.J., so he left the pistol locked in the safe. The state of Florida might have codified his Second Amendment rights, but he knew he’d be passing through states where recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions affirming the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms have been met by hostile legislatures and local officials.

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“Ten minutes he’s behind us,” John says. “We weren’t speeding. In fact, lots of other cars were whizzing past.”

“You know you have a police car behind you, you don’t speed, right?” Kally adds.

Says John, “We keep wondering, is he going to do something?”

Finally the patrol car’s emergency lights come on, and it’s almost a relief. Whatever was going on, they’d be able to get it over with now. The officer — from the Transportation Authority Police, as it turns out, Maryland’s version of the New York-New Jersey Port Authority — strolls up, does the license and registration bit, and returns to his car.

According to Kally and John (but not MTAP, which, pending investigation, could not comment), what happened next went like this:

Ten minutes later he’s back, and he wants John out of the Expedition. Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

“At home in my safe,” John answers.

“Don’t move,” says the officer.

Now he’s at the passenger’s window. “Your husband owns a gun,” he says. “Where is it?”

...

Of course, John couldn’t show him what didn’t exist, but Kally’s failure to corroborate John’s account, the officer would tell them later, was the probable cause that allowed him to summon backup — three marked cars joined the lineup along the I-95 shoulder — and empty the Expedition of riders, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags; to pat down Kally and Yianni; to explore the engine compartment and probe inside door panels; and to separate and isolate the Filippidises in the back seats of the patrol cars.

Ninety minutes later, or maybe it was two hours — “It felt like forever,” Kally says — no weapon found and their possessions repacked, the episode ended ... with the officer writing out a warning.

“All that time, he’s humiliating me in front of my family, making me feel like a criminal,” John says. “I’ve never been to prison, never declared bankruptcy, I pay my taxes, support my 20 employees’ families; I’ve never been in any kind of trouble.”

Face red, eyes shining, John pounds his knees. “And he wants to put me in jail. He wants to put me in jail. For no reason. He wants to take my wife and children away and put me in jail. In America, how does such a thing happen? ... And after all that, he didn’t even write me a ticket.”

Now, despite having fielded apologies from the officer’s captain as well as from a Maryland Transportation Authority Police internal affairs captain, John is wondering if he shouldn’t just cancel his CCW license.

For a guy who’s not looking for trouble, that’s not an unreasonable conclusion. And it would please fans of gun control by any means. But let’s hope John Filippidis, American family man, taxpayer and good guy, doesn’t cave, because it would be a sad statement about the brittleness of our guarantees — some would call them sacred — under the Constitution.
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a palm-sized Kel-Tec .38 semiautomatic
A .38 semiautomatic? That's nifty. Didn't realize Kel-Tec was offering anything in .38 Super.
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:47 AM   #925
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Thats gotta because he is black, I open carry all the time here in washoe county. That video has hit closer to home and I am really really pissed now.
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next time you open carry, remove the cornrows first.
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:12 PM   #928
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no kidding, ill have to remember that next time I go near the 7-11 on 7th and Sun Valley Blvd. (where this happened)
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handcuffed in a police car for LEGALLY open carrying:




again, in TX, the free state.
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Manufacturers Change Look of AR-15; Rifle Is Now Legal in New York State | National Review Online

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Pass a stupid law, get a stupid result. This, Clash Daily reports, is a remodeled AR-15, and it is legal in New York despite the state’s “assault weapons” ban:

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Old 02-10-2014, 03:14 PM   #931
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Same thing they did in California in the early days of "featureless builds." Glad to see it though.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:17 PM   #932
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And these are the people trying to pass those laws:

Gun control activist says h forgot gun while visiting school | The Daily Caller

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A Buffalo, N.Y. community activist who is well known locally for pushing for a highly restrictive 2013 gun control law has been arrested for — wait for it — carrying a gun illegally at a public elementary school.

The arrested gun-control advocate, Dwayne Ferguson, caused quite a scene at Harvey Austin Elementary School, reports local CBS affiliate WIVB.

At about 4:15 p.m. on Thursday, police acted on a pair of anonymous 911 tips. A battalion of cops quickly swarmed the school. The brigade included over a dozen squad cars, the SWAT team and K9 units. The Erie County Sheriff’s Air One helicopter and what appears to be an armored vehicle also turned up.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:06 PM   #934
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I dont really know how to say what I feel about these videos.

Are the cops wrong? Yes.
Is he wrong? Yes.

He was walking around town with a rifle and a camera. He went out to purposely illicit a response from the police. In order to do what? Obfuscate? What do these people think is going to happen?

Do I think the average persons response to this is misguided(Oh my gawd, theres a man walking around town with a rifle)? Yes. It shows willful ignorance and intolerance because someone else taught them that guns are evil, and their owners are mass murderers waiting to happen.

Do I think the police response was wrong given what was really going on? Yes and no. On some level they have to do what they are paid to do: investigate crime or the possibility there of. When they get a complaint, they have to respond. And unfortunately, given the current state of our society, who knows what they are going to encounter, especially in this type of situation.

Im a firm believer in "Dont start nothin, there wont be nothin". Sure, on some levels that type of thinking is what leads to some of the problems our society has today. But whats that they say about poking a hornets nest?
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I agree with everything you said, UrbanFuturistic.
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I don't.

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Is he wrong?
no.

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He was walking around town with a rifle and a camera. He went out to purposely illicit a response from the police. In order to do what?
walk around town with a rifle and a camera.

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Obfuscate?
Quite the Contrary.

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What do these people think is going to happen?
That's why they are doing it. To see what happens when you do something perfectly legal.

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Do I think the police response was wrong given what was really going on? Yes and no. On some level they have to do what they are paid to do: investigate crime or the possibility there of.
There was no crime. Pre-Cog is from a movie.

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When they get a complaint, they have to respond.
Here's a response to the caller: are they doing anything illegal? no? okay, thanks for the call, let me know when they are shooting people.

But since they got a call, it's okay for the police to break the law in order to see if the law might be broken?

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And unfortunately, given the current state of our society, who knows what they are going to encounter, especially in this type of situation.
post 9/11 bs.

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Im a firm believer in "Dont start nothin, there wont be nothin". Sure, on some levels that type of thinking is what leads to some of the problems our society has today. But what's that they say about poking a hornets nest?
Well it's a good thing these people don't go walking into a police station and start shooting up the place...as that's what I would call poking the hornet's nest. walking around on a public street, minding your own business, doing something perfectly legal, is not.

Racial profiling as a factor in whether to stop an individual is typically frowned upon and illegal, so what about legal profiling? when an officer sees someone doing something perfectly legal as a determining factor in order to stop, detain, arrest, harass, and violate?

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No, not technically. But he was looking to stir up some ****, and he got it.

No need to be an *** to make a point.
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I don't. he's not wrong.
Explain.
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No need to be an *** to make a point.
I agree, the cops could have not been so rude when dealing with a law-abiding citizen.
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There was no crime. Pre-Cog is from a movie.
No, there was no crime. But you dont know that persons demeanor. What are they up to? This guy wasnt up to something, but there is every chance that he might have been. I also dont watch Tom Cruise movies, so I dont know about Pre-cog.

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But since they got a call, it's okay for the police to break the law in order to see if the law might be broken?
Considering the officer isnt the actual person who answers the phone, I doubt the caller would have got that response. But I guess you would have gotten the call to respond as an officer and said "no"?

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post 9/11 bs.
Wrong. My dad was a cop for 28 years, all pre-9/11. **** happens. And oft times you go into a situation not really knowing all of whats really going on. And **** can and will pop off at any second.
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