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Old 08-08-2012, 06:17 PM   #101
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I wish there were no guns in the world.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:44 PM   #102
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Given the option between facing a criminal with a knife and facing one with a firearm, I might be inclined to opt for the moral superiority route. If faced with a mugger with a vial of poison, I am definitely going that route!
There is no moral superiority in cowering to lawless agressors. Most of us value our safety and personal property more than the lives of criminals who destroy both.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:45 PM   #103
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So, you are alleging that crime causes poverty?

This is definitely an interesting argument, and one I've never heard of before. Could you elaborate and provide sources backing it, because it sounds like a giant crock of crap to me.
In for "white guilt".
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:56 PM   #104
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Poverty causes crime like flies cause dog poo.
It doesn't cause crime, however, it does provide an incentive.

I suppose it would be a fair argument to say:

poor family structure/values>leads to>poor education>leads to>poorer job opportunities>leads to>poverty>leads to>incentive to commit crimes>leads to>risk of violent confrontations>leads to>higher risk of gun violence

I think it's also fair to just label that cycle as 'poverty' as in: a lack total lack of resources both social, educationally, and financially.

Poverty is not a guarantee of violence as low income Chinese/Indian families prove to be highly educated and relatively law abiding <generalization>

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Old 08-08-2012, 07:24 PM   #105
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The culture of victimization is what keeps black people poor. Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton are to blame.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:30 PM   #106
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The culture of victimization is what keeps black people poor. Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton are to blame.


And now the thread shifts from interesting discussion to "START BLAMING, EVERYONE!"

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Old 08-08-2012, 08:05 PM   #107
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Look at how laws have changed our right to own firearms over the last 100 years alone! NFA1934 is a PERFECT example, an even more atrocious example is the "Firearm Owners Protection Act" of 1986.

Here, Scott left out some relevant data from England:



England banned Handguns completely in 1997. Look at the homicide rate alone.


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The death penalty is pretty well known to either not act as a deterrent, or being completely unclear (See Death penalty deter killings? Study says evidence unclear - Los Angeles Times as a reference) as to whether it has any effect at all. The crime statistics however argue clearly against it - and isn't that what one would care about when trying to argue deterrence?

Secondly, please remember that the death penalty is more expensive even than life in prison.

Bullshit, man.
5 AR-15 Rifles: $4000.00
5 10 round Magazines: $100.00
4 .223 Blanks: $3.16
1 .223 55gr FMJ: $0.39
1 Blindfold: $2.00?



That's cheaper than 3 meals a say with room & board, education and entertainment facilities for 25+ years?




Oh, on topic, Bet your effing *** I need an RPG:

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Old 08-08-2012, 08:10 PM   #108
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Bullshit, man.
5 AR-15 Rifles: $4000.00
5 10 round Magazines: $100.00
4 .223 Blanks: $3.16
1 .223 55gr FMJ: $0.39
1 Blindfold: $2.00?

That's cheaper than 3 meals a say with room & board, education and entertainment facilities for 25+ years?
So, you are asking people who have been convicted by the lowest criminal court to waive all appeals, all constitutionally protected rights, and just accept their execution? Even if they may be innocent? (See: 140+ innocent people executed in Texas over the past few decades)

I'm just going to refer to a quote from the Founding Fathers here...

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
that it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer.
Seriously, the moment anyone begins advocating that other people give up their Rights because of their beliefs, I play the card. Then again, see my thoughts on gun control - gun control infringes on people's Rights for some people's beliefs, and hey, we've gone full circle!
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...aaaand just like in fail RPG fashion, this rocket propelled topic has clipped a lip and now is off target from its orginal intended destionation
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...aaaand just like in fail RPG fashion, this rocket propelled topic has clipped a lip and now is off target from its orginal intended destionation
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Smaw>rpg
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:22 AM   #112
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That would make sense... but what part of "shall not be infringed" do people not get. You either agree with the Constitution or you don't.
I was just following your logic to a reasonable conclusion (i.e. restricting the lawful sale of firearms should reduce the number of firearms that end up in the hands of criminals). I'm not advocating for it, just walking through the thought experiment.

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You might as well bend the knee and suck a dick. You're basically saying that your personal freedoms, your liberties, and your basic right to exist as a free man are less important than finding a way to accommodate the actions of the lawless. Your comment is disgusting.

In America, we don't set the bar for liberty based on the acts of a few miscreants. Wanting to have a fair fight against criminals is the mark of a moral coward... a person who doesn't want an advantage simply to satisfy his ego. You're trying to put the criminal and the free man on equal footing by telling the free man what he must and must not do because your telling of the criminal has not worked. Your line of reasoning is just plain sickening.
You should relax, Sam. Again, at no point did I advocate for taking guns away. Do you disagree with the statement that, if given the choice of facing a criminal with a knife or a firearm, you'd prefer the former?

Maybe these pictures of mine will make you feel better:


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I think that Sam might be restating the old proverb "Never bring a knife to a gunfight". If needing to confront a criminal act, there are no Marquess of Queensberry rules involved. Overwhelming force is in order.
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Given the possible scenarios:

1. I have a firearm, and my attacker may have a firearm.
2. I have a knife, and my attacker may have a knife.

I'm still choosing number 1. Nobody wins a knife fight.
aw, that's all I ever carry.
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aw, that's all I ever carry.
Nobody wins a knife fight.

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Old 08-09-2012, 11:34 AM   #116
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OMFG, nasty nasty nasty.
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Some of the poorest people I know wouldn't take a penny they didn't earn, even if it was freely given to them. It is about honor, dignity, and integrity. And that comes from being taught and modeled by parents who are (A.) present, (B.) care enough to teach it daily.

Shame is seldom taught and sorely missed in our culture as well. Shame is the emotional manifestation of having a conscience.
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The kids are asleep and I've spent the last hour working up a post... just deleted it. I'm going to gracefully bow out of this thread... will not be back.

My going away present is one of my favorite internet gun pics of all time:
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So, you are asking people who have been convicted by the lowest criminal court to waive all appeals, all constitutionally protected rights, and just accept their execution? Even if they may be innocent? (See: 140+ innocent people executed in Texas over the past few decades)
Where the hell did you come up with that from my post? I was merely making a statment in reply to your statement (which I applied bold to) that an execution by firing squad is FAAAAAR cheaper than our system's current death penelty costs or sending someone up for life. Nowhere did I ever make an argument against someone's right for due process.

And that I should have an RPG.
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