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Old 07-08-2014, 10:11 AM   #2401
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new theme: Paranoid cops use common sense and non-lethal force

http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2014/07/j...-arrest-owner/

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Today, while making an arrest at the home of someone accused of possession of stolen property, they made what could be considered a much better decision than many of their fellow “brother’s and sister’s in blue” have done in recent past.

When executing the warrant for arrest, a pit bull on the property was doing exactly what any good dog would and should do. It began to bark at the strangers trying to gain access to their owner, and his property.

Instead of pulling out a firearm, and killing the dog for being nothing more than a dog, the Liberty Humane Society was called into action. They arrived, administered a mild sedative to the dog to calm it down, and safely lead it out of the house. The man in the photo is emergency services unit officer John Traynor.



At the time this article was written, no other information about the owner, or his situation were available.
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Recurring theme: police officers get murdered more frequently than those in pretty much any other occupation
Source?

Police Officer didn't even make it into the top ten list of most deadly jobs in the U.S.

I would posit that they also commit murder more frequently than any other occupation.
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it's not murder if youre paranoid and twitchy.
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Police Officer didn't even make it into the top ten list of most deadly jobs in the U.S.

I would posit that they also commit murder more frequently than any other occupation.
To be fair, Joe did says murdered and not just deaths on the job. You are correct though that being a cop is not even in the top 10 deadliest jobs in the US. Here is a source for that.
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recurring theme: paranoid racist cop shockingly fired after he ordered his twitchy force to go beat down citizens for a reward. Next you're going to tell me organized crime is outlawed!

Police chief resigns after racist text messages surface | www.wsbtv.com
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Diamant eventually showed the texts to a stunned Grantville Mayor Jim Sells.

"He may need an attorney," Sells said.

Diamant also showed him another set of texts from last August after seeing an off-duty officer, Henry, in an unrelated Channel 2 Action News story, another Grantville officer texted "Henry’s on the news."
The chief wrote back, "What's that about?" then added "He probably beat the (expletive) out of some 'n-word.'"

"Does this represent the values of this town of Grantville?" Diamant asked Sells.

"Absolutely not," Sells said.

And Sells' condemnation came quick.
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To be fair, Joe did says murdered and not just deaths on the job. You are correct though that being a cop is not even in the top 10 deadliest jobs in the US. Here is a source for that.
in 1998, 61 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty.

source: fbi

in 1998, 709 people died in work-related homicides. 67% of these victims were workers who place of business was being robbed.

So it's probably safe to say, that being an average employee in a job where cash transactions take place is the most murderous occupation. 428 people > 61. much >. wowe.

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everyday citizens should probably arm themselves.


the average walmart employee makes $8.81 an hour. source walmart. rounding to $9, assuming full time that's: $18,000 a year

the average police officer makes: $47,629 a year. The range is actually $30K to $80K. source. they also get training, protection, and a nice pension.


life choices: if you want a safe (in regards to murder), well paid job, be a police officer and not an employee who works in cash transactions who is very susceptible and likely to succumb to injuries of bullet to face.

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future theme: Joe Perez will be arrested for taking panoramas of the streets of NYC
True story: we have actually been discussing the possibility of equipping our ENG trucks with camera drones, pending the FAAs anticipated 2015 guidelines for commercial UAV operation. This discussion opens up many worm-cans, including the question of what actually constitutes "plain view."



But seriously, I don't expect to ever be hassled by the NYPD (or the PAPD, or the MTAPD, or any of the other badass and highly militarized police agencies through whose jurisdiction I pass every day), because I'm not an *******, I don't deliberately provoke / insult LEOs, I don't brandish weapons in public, I don't wander around in public while intoxicated, I don't sell drugs or allow other people to do so while in my home, I stay out of areas in which active police operations are underway, and I am, in general, a really easy-going guy who isn't too proud to adopt a respectful and submissive posture when I know that doing so is beneficial to my own health and well-being.

I think it's that last part that really gets people into trouble, and I'll never quite understand why some folks think it's more important to be right than to be alive.
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I thought the cab drivers and convenience store clerks were the most often murdered occupations.
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recurring theme: Cops voluntarily signed up for the job, in exchange for a paycheck, in which they understand the risks involved and have to go through extensive training in self defense/offense, as well as physical fitness, written tests, and psychiatric evaluations, before they can start work.

recurring theme: Cops are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution; yet they trample all over it because they are paranoid and twitchy.

recurring theme: Cops have no obligation to protect people from harm so they trample all over them because they are paranoid and twitchy.

recurring theme: Cops treat everyone like a criminal from being so jaded because they are paranoid and twitchy.

recurring theme: Cops would rather arrest and confront you over stupid trivial infractions in order to collect money for the state to further their oppressive reign, filling our prisons up with non-violent criminals, victimless criminals, drug addicts, or people that just happen to make them paranoid or twitchy, instead of doing anything about real criminals that rape, or slave, or rob, or injure, or that do go out and shoot police officers because they hold some stupid grudge. And because of this recurring theme, one-quarter of the world's prisoners are held in US jails, a quarter of those being held on drug charges alone, yet somehow there are still criminals out there which just fuels the necessities for more twitchy and paranoid police to parole the streets until one day we all are living in Judge Dredd and we ask ourselves: how did we get here? But Joe Perez always knew the answer. Joe Perez always knew.

recurring theme: Joe Perez again tries to argue, that since a cop signs up for a job that puts them under a lot of pressure, stress, danger, or what have you, it's okay for them to become paranoid and twitchy, violate your constitutional protected rights, violate the law, violate court orders, violate common sense, violate common courtesy, violate your privacy, cause you bodily harm, destroy your property, tase you, shoot you, shoot your dog, steal your money, set you up, and ultimately act like common criminals themselves because they are paranoid and twitchy and because the means justifies the ends.

future theme: Joe Perez will be arrested for taking panoramas of the streets of NYC and charged with wiretapping, resisting arrest, and disorderly conduct because a paranoid and twitchy cop will claim that Joe's camera phone could have been a gun/weapon and when Joe used his superior intelligence to try to calmly defend his position, the moron cop would take it as an insult, and since he has daddy issues he never worked out, will flex his chest and make Joe's life a living hell because he can and because he was twitchy that day--his herpes was flaring up.

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I have a hydra theory. (not really mine)

Most recent I was watching about them drones blowing up folks with theoretical precision to nail only terrorists.
Someone was saying what folks been saying for years that a lot of collateral damage is happening and there are being more terrorists all the time.

Bad laws are made that a large number of the population are sure to not obey and the bad laws lead breeding contempt for law. More laws are made to support them bad laws and breeds more contempt.

If we started with a relative few corrupt cops I wonder if there would be decently artistic image could be made of Bad Apple metaphor combined with Hydra metaphor.
Maybe they kinda opposite. Bad apple spoils the barrel by just nothing being done. Hydra grows from the efforts made against it.
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something like, you give Osama a gun to fight the Russians, then he watches you invade Somalia and other Arab countries and then tries to bite your hand?
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something like, you give Osama a gun to fight the Russians, then he watches you invade Somalia and other Arab countries and then tries to bite your hand?
I give up.
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Recurring theme: NYPD arrest two men for peacefully flying a drone through an established no-fly zone and near a police helicopter.

2 drones in near-miss with NYPD chopper



Two drones nearly took out an NYPD chopper over the George Washington Bridge on Monday, and cops arrested the wayward devices’ operators, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

The Aviation Unit helicopter was on patrol around 12:15 a.m. when it had to swerve to avoid the small, unmanned aircraft, the sources said.

The NYPD pilots “observed flying object[s] at 2,000 feet in vicinity of the George Washington Bridge, then circling heading toward the helicopter,’’ a police report said.

“The officers were forced to change their course to avoid a collision.”

One source called it a “very dangerous” scenario.

“Although [drones] may only weigh a few pounds, that’s all birds weigh, and look what they did to the Sully Airbus,” the source said, referring to 2009’s “Miracle on the Hudson,” in which a bird strike forced US Airways pilot Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger to crash-land a jetliner in the Hudson River.

The chopper tailed the drones north as they landed at the corner of Audubon and Fort George avenues, near Fort Tryon Park, at 12:35 a.m., sources said.

The chopper cops called NYPD Patrol, and officers were dispatched to nab the suspects.

Remy Castro, 23, who lives on nearby West 193rd Street, and Wilkins Mendoza, 34, of Post Road, were both arrested.

“It’s just a toy,” Castro said later at Manhattan Criminal Court, where they were arraigned on felony reckless endangerment charges and released without bail. “The copter came to us.”

Mendoza said the drone experiment was just fun and games.

“We were just playing with it,” he said. “It’s crazy.”

Their lawyer, Michael Kushner, said the incident was not as serious as authorities allege.

“This vehicle can’t go above 300 feet,” Kushner said. “They did nothing more than fly a kite.”

But a friend of the pair, Jonathan Reyes, 27, said Castro told him they have flown them as high as 5,000 feet.

“When they first got them, everyone was going crazy and saying, ‘That’s some alien stuff!’ ” Reyes recalled.

Reyes said Castro bought a drone two weeks ago and that Mendoza followed suit. They spent $500 to $700 apiece.

They have been having a wild time ever since, flying the drones around the neighborhood each night and posting video of the outings on Instagram.

“They’re fun. They’re a cool pair,” Reyes said of the men. “Everybody who sees [the drones] goes crazy!”


2 drones in near-miss with NYPD chopper | New York Post


Wait, that's not a recurring theme at all. Sorry, I got caught up in the hype.
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I give up.
I really wasn't quite following you.

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Most recent I was watching about them drones blowing up folks with theoretical precision to nail only terrorists.

Someone was saying what folks been saying for years that a lot of collateral damage is happening and there are being more terrorists all the time.
Okay, Hydra Theory. One problem gone, more arise. Got it.

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Bad laws are made that a large number of the population are sure to not obey and the bad laws lead breeding contempt for law. More laws are made to support them bad laws and breeds more contempt.
Otherwise known as:



Which is still pretty much a Hydra Theory.

E.g.:
Fed passes a law that says all hospitals must treat patients regardless if they are covered or can even pay or not. (bad law)
State hospitals start running out of funds.
MA passes Romneycare which says all residents must have coverage. (begets bad law)

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If we started with a relative few corrupt cops I wonder if there would be decently artistic image could be made of Bad Apple metaphor combined with Hydra metaphor.
I don't quite follow here.

Let's start with the bad apple. Okay, a few bad apples can ruin the whole bunch. Sure. Okay, we've seen this numerous times in American history with corrupt cops. The LAPD in 1928 comes to mind in the Christine and Walter Collins case.

But how are we combining it with the hydra theory?

So you're saying that have both a combination of bad cops ruining the police force combined with people growing angst against the force?

Sounds about right.

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Maybe they kinda opposite. Bad apple spoils the barrel by just nothing being done. Hydra grows from the efforts made against it.
The bad apples are spoiling the barrel by doing a lot more than nothing. Those are more like the good apples getting spoiled by the rotten ones.

How about this:

Most cops are probably good, honest people that wanted to "make a difference," have a passion for law and order, and want to get "bad guys" off the streets. Bad apples ignored here.

They show up to work and find out that all their day job really is writing tickets for simple laws and enforcing traffic/registration laws. It's boring and mundane. When they work the night shift, all their job is babysitting drunk ********. They aren't solving crimes, breaking cases, uncovering drug rings, ending human trafficking or anything else exciting. They are told to go out and write tickets; otherwise, how will their superiors know they are doing their job? If the other employees in your depart are out writing 100 tickets a day and you only come back with 50, you're not doing your job. So in fear of getting reprimanded, or even fired, they do their best to go out and write tickets for all the simple infractions they see. Plus the more tickets you write, the more overtime you get paid when you have court dates.

So day in and day out they hear every excuse on the book and deal with "law breakers" on a regular bias. And they see a bunch of ****. From people driving without a license, speeding, maybe a few drunk driver, jaywalking galore, fighting, smoking drugs, unleashed dogs, people throwing the frisbee on the beach, and maybe even a petty theft; they quickly begin to realize that the world ain't so grand.

It reaches a point where they start to view the world as a violent place full of idiots, con artists, liars, criminals, what have you. Every person they interact with is a criminal, be it the soccer mom who blew the red light, to his own neighbors who forget to renew their car registration.

They become paranoid and twitchy and skeptical and cynical.

They establish an "us vs them" mentality. Everyone is a potential bad guy. And they believe that social order depends on them and at all costs necessary. If a citizen challenges them, they must defend their right to enforce their authority.

They begin to only trust in each other. If his buddy on the force tases an unruling jaywalker who didn't hear orders because she was listening to headphones, he'll gladly back him up and write down on his report that they felt threatened and had every right to defend themselves with physical force.

The police union only reinforces this comradery. Always defending fellow officers regardless if they violate policy, laws, human decency. And they have immunity from being sued directly in court.

They start to have fun on the job again. Seeing what they can get away with. Seeing how shitty they can treat other people. Stealing signs from the homeless and posting them on twitter. Blatantly disregarding the laws themselves because the ends justifies their means. Using physical force wherever unnecessary. Getting search warrants for everything so they can raid houses and hopefully shoot a dog or two. Just generally doing the things that Braineack posts about in this thread.

They become: the bad apple.
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They begin to only trust in each other. If his buddy on the force tases an unruling jaywalker who didn't hear orders because she was listening to headphones, he'll gladly back him up and write down on his report that they felt threatened and had every right to defend themselves with physical force.

The police union only reinforces this comradery. Always defending fellow officers regardless if they violate policy, laws, human decency.

Cops Show Up in Force at Town Hall Meeting to Demand Resignation of NJ Councilman Skeptical of Police

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About 125 to 150 protesters, largely police officers and their families and friends, showed up at the town hall meeting in Franklin, New Jersey tonight to demand the resignation of a Franklin councilmenan who has been an outspoken critic of police abuse. Not in attendance was the target of their ire, David Fanale, who instead attended the city council meeting in Roxbury to complain about police there, against whom he had filed an Internal Affairs (IA) complaint over what he says was an illegal 2013 police stop.

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In an interview with Reason, Fanale said “a lot of stuff” was going on with the Franklin Police Department and described two incidents he’s focused on—in one a Franklin cop made a dangerous U-Turn that led to a collision with a septuagenarian driver. Fanale says the city refused to pay the driver’s $250 deductible from the accident. In another, a Franklin cop ran into a pet store to save some animals from a smoke-filled room. Fanale says the police union called it an “inferno” but that there was no evidence of a fire. Also unmentioned in the police union’s narrative of the hero cop is that the cop now has a workers’ compensation claim from the incident, which did not occur on duty or under orders.

Fanale says because of the attention focused on him by the law enforcement community he’s seen death threats posted in online comments, and even his home address.

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Fanale says he's learned that for cops, his freedom of speech ends "where their feelings begin," comparing police officers' reaction to being offended over the image he posted to what extremist jihadis do to people and media outlets that publish image of Mohammed, which some Muslims consider prohibited based on certain hadiths, or recorded sayings of Mohammed.
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Lafayette police chief unhappy with discipline board's vote - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

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The Chief of Police in Lafayette voiced his disapproval Tuesday of the punishment given to an officer at the center of a controversial video.

Newly-released footage shows then-lieutenant Tom Davidson pushing a suspect out of his wheelchair last October. The city's mayor, police chief and the entire command staff of his department recommended he be terminated but the disciplinary board instead decided to demote Davidson, suspend him for one month and put him on probation for a year.

In a letter posted to Facebook, Chief Patrick Flannelly wrote that the officer's actions have "brought discredit upon his agency." But he said those actions do "not reflect the true character of all of the dedicated men and women who serve that community."
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Everyone is a potential bad guy. And they believe that social order depends on them and at all costs necessary.
Court Rules In Favor Of Cop Who Attempted Arrest For Marijuana He Helped Grow

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The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit has ruled in favor of a Chicago police officer who led the search of his daughter-in-law’s home for a medical marijuana plant that he helped grow.

Officer Curtis Scherr had been accused of violating the Fourth Amendment rights of daughter-in-law Jennifer Scherr when he obtained a search warrant against her using the personal information he had collected by growing the plant with her. According to Raw Story, Scherr’s motivation for obtaining the warrant stemmed from a family dispute involving an argument over where to keep the body and ashes of his granddaughter, who passed away in the weeks leading up to the search of the house by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

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The officer knew that his daughter-in-law had been growing marijuana in order to treat his granddaughter Liza’s brain tumor. He even had even purchased the necessary lightbulbs and advised Jennifer as to how to avoid any speculation from law enforcement officials.

Although Jennifer had already disposed of the marijuana plants and was not arrested as a result of the search of her home, she still sued her father-in-law for a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The judge also wrote that Scherr’s personal involvement in growing the plants did not invalidate his decision to obtain a warrant for the crime.
This cop helped in the "crime" to help comfort/save his sick grandaughter who succomed to a brain tumor, and then turned around to raid/arrest his own family.
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New Theme: Memphis, TN residents have no reason to be twitchy or paranoid today.

More than 400 Tennessee cops call in sick in apparent health care protest | Fox News

Apparently Memphis, TN employs 400 too many police officers and life goes on without them.


It's getting worse:

Memphis Mayor Considers Bringing in National Guard As 675 Officers Refuse to Work After City Reduces Health Care Subsidies | Police State Daily

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Memphis police officers have been calling in sick with “blue flu” since June 30. Department spokeswoman Karen Rudolph said 554 officers called in sick on Tuesday alone.

Other sources put the over all number at 675, over a fourth of the 2,280 member department.

The sick calls are to protest a City Council vote reducing health care subsidies for city employees, including police and fire staff, in order to redirect money toward the city’s troubled pension fund.
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On June 30, 2014, the Baltimore City Police Department released a video to celebrate surpassing 50,000 followers on the social media site Twitter. Holding signs reading “50,000,” officers from many of the department’s sections danced and lipsynced the words to Pharrell William’s “Happy.” Police Commissioner Anthony Batts thanked the department’s followers for “helping Baltimore to be safer.”While it is as yet unclear how the department’s impressive Twitter presence makes the city safer, it is increasingly clear that the department’s media section, which produced the video, seeks to render competing media outlets irrelevant—at least in terms of news that affects the police department. This is apparently why the department iced out Baltimore Sun police reporter Justin Fenton for more than six months, refusing at times even to answer his direct questions at public news conferences.City Paper appreciates the work and spirit that went into the “Happy” video. But we would remind the department that, like catching criminals, media and image management is work for experienced professionals. The media landscape is figuratively littered with the corpses of once-mighty organizations whose branding efforts were heisted and turned against them—often by adversaries who were, comparatively speaking, unarmed.As all Baltimoreans know, members of the Baltimore Police Department have a long and substantial record of literally shooting the unarmed, fellow officers, and even, on occasion, themselves in the quest for paid time off. And while everyone knows that those officers are aberrant and do not fairly reflect the values of the department, it is notable that in many cases they have been repeat offenders over many years, receiving little discipline—and often several promotions—before committing an act that outside media play as scandal. We hope the Baltimore Police Department is improving its internal discipline, psychological counseling, and use-of-force policies with as much vigor and spirit as it has applied to its media strategy. With that in mind, we hope City Paper’s 30,000 or so Twitter followers (and our quarter million-odd readers) will enjoy this rejoinder video depicting another side of the BPD story. We call it “Trigger Happy.”<<<@!1!@>>>

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German Police Fired 85 Bullets All Year, US Police Use 90 on 1 Person
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Hospital settles with New Mexico woman over search - The Washington Post

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A Texas hospital and its emergency room physicians have reached a $1.1 million settlement with a New Mexico woman who sued them and U.S. customs officials after she was subjected to a body cavity search, her attorneys said Monday.

The allegations against U.S. Customs and Border Protection made in the 54-year-old woman’s federal lawsuit are pending, according to the statement from the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas.

The ACLU filed the lawsuit in federal court in El Paso last December on behalf of the woman, who was not identified.

The lawsuit said the woman, a U.S. citizen, was “brutally” searched by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents in December 2012 after being selected for additional screening at the Cordova Bridge in El Paso when a drug sniffing dog jumped on her. The woman was returning from a visit to a recently deported family friend in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, the lawsuit said.

Agents stripped and searched her, then conducted body-cavity searches, but found no evidence of drugs, court documents said. The woman was transported in handcuffs to the University Medical Center of El Paso, where doctors subjected her to an observed bowel movement, a CT scan and other intrusive examinations without a warrant, the lawsuit alleged.

No drugs were found and the woman was released without charges, the ACLU said.
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