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Old 10-22-2015, 09:48 AM   #6081
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It's not about if you're a fine upstanding citizen or not.

That's not for police to decide.

That's not for you to decide.

As someone who here has argued strongly for due process, it strikes me as odd that you'd take that position. Yes, criminals are bad. But the job of police is not to kill the people Joe Perez doesn't like -- this isn't **** Germany.

We have a legal system designed to protect criminals as well as innocent people.

"Africa" was a homeless drug dealer who was extremely mentally disturbed.

That was a rookie cop that shot the dude. He was wearing a double retention hooded holster specifically designed for this very situation.

I am supposed to believe that while 5 cops were on top of him, and while he was being tased, that he was able to lower the hood gaurd, figure out how to pull the gun out of the holster, spin the gun around, and then pull the slide back to load the chamber?

no. sorry. Yeah, he probably has his hand on the gun during the struggle, but there was never a chance this guy could have ever used the gun against the officers.

Was it stupid for this crazy dude to come out of his tent swinging? yes.

Did he deserve to die. NO.

And not one jury in the history of juries (even full of the most racist democrats in the 1800s) would not have sentenced this dude to death had he simply been subdued instead of subdead.


Citizens should not have to live in fear that there's own government is out to kill them because Joe Perez doesn't like them. That's why we left England and why we have a Constitution -- a document that literally says what the govt can and can't do.

The 4 of 10 of our Bill of Rights specifically deals with crimes/courts.

The 5th amendment of the Constitution guarantees us that the government is not allowed to murder citizens before going before a Grand Jury and without due process of the law.

How can one say he's for Law and Order, but at the same time advocates the senseless killing of people he doesn't like? I'm pretty sure Hitler made those same arguments.

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How is what you're saying any different than his argument? That he'll save the world by killing the people he thinks are the problem. How well is that working for us? In all of our history with all our jails and incarcerated people, and all our laws, and all the slaughterings and killings, how well has that served us? Why do we still have shitholes like Baltimore? If you want to live in a country that allows the genocide of people you disagree with, please move to Africa or South Asia -- I hear it's great to live over there.

We shouldn't have to fear that if we call police for help, they will kill us. It's that basic of a concept. Yet everyday, here I am, posting the same story over and over and over. Police killing people at a staggering rate, violating the constitution, the law, policy, morals/principles, yet it's not doing anything to solve the problem.

But here you are constantly defending their criminal actions when you yourself seem to have such a problem with criminals. You constantly quote the Constitution, but don't think it applies to the people you don't like that day.

You have actually gone as far as suggesting that a baby's face getting blown off was the baby's fault for having a family member that was suspected of a crime. That the police had the right to raid a house (where the suspected criminal didn't even live) and cause physical harm to innocent people, because killing criminals is okay and collateral damage is to be expected. That's ******* bonkers. Coupled with your obvious animal abuse mental disorder, I'm pretty sure you're actually psychotic serial killer who's planning to mass murder all his coworkers while on air live at your studio...
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Joe Perez smiles sadistically as unarmed coward boy, forced into crime, is shot dead by police. Later police released a statement that said his self-fitting jacket could have been used a weapon and scared police. It was within policy to murder criminals because Socialist Adolf Perez does not like criminals to breathe.
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pre-cog police.

it is now a crime to be somewhere.

Police say man charged with resisting arrest was first observed in a car in a 'predictive hot spot' | New Hampshire

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A Hampton Falls man, sitting in a parked car on Merrimack Street, was pepper sprayed, zapped with a stun gun and ultimately handcuffed in an incident that began with a patrol officer deciding the man was not in the area for legitimate purposes.

Lt. Brian O’Keefe, asked why it would be illegal to sit in a car parked on a public street, said what factors into the case is that it is a high crime area and a "predictive hot spot" and the behavior and mannerisms of the individual involved.

The arrest of Connor Deleire, 18, of Hampton Falls, came about after patrol officer Derek Cataldo saw a 2000 Honda Accord parked at 5:35 p.m. on Merrimack Street, in the area of Union and Merrimack streets, a “predictive hot spot.”

Deleire was sitting in the driver’s seat. Cataldo drove by the car and then circled the block to get a better look and determine if Deleire was there for legitimate purposes, according to a news release sent out by O’Keefe.

After several minutes, Cataldo approached the car and began talking with Deleire, who police said was physically shaking.

He gave the officer his identification and “attempted to provide a legitimate reason for being in the area,” O’Keefe wrote. Cataldo felt he was there for no legitimate purposes and asked him to step out of the car. When Deleire did, Cataldo noticed a holstered Beretta 9mm. Cataldo took it, placed it inside the car and continued speaking with Deleire.

Deleire, police said, grew agitated and stated he was not agreeing to his person or property being searched.

Cataldo told him he was conducting a pat down search to ensure the safety of himself and another officer who arrived on the scene.

Police said Cataldo then felt what he believed to be a gun magazine in Deleire’s front left pocket. Deleire pulled away and shoved his hand into his pocket, prompting the officer to “forcefully” pull his hand out of it.

When he did, Deleire was holding several items including a fully loaded gun magazine.

Deleire, police said, was agitated and, after dropping the gun magazine and other items on the roof of his Honda, began thrashing back and forth.

Cataldo told him he was under arrest for resisting arrest/detention and police said Deleire began fighting with him and another officer.

More police arrived to “help subdue the combative man,” O’Keefe wrote in the news release. The four officers needed to use pepper spray and a Taser to handcuff the combative man, who was forced to the ground before being handcuffed. He was then taken to the police station and booked.

Deleire was released on $1,000 personal recognizance bail and is to appear Nov. 24 in 9th Circuit Court-District Divsion-Manchester. - See more at: Police say man charged with resisting arrest was first observed in a car in a 'predictive hot spot' | New Hampshire
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Here's joe perez's favorite type of police:

break the law to enforce a law, and kill someone unrelated. collateral damage is to be expected to pursue that tax collection.

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...According to Femminineo and the lawsuit, Bush was driving eastbound Eight Mile Road, between Interstate 94 and Beaconsfield Road, with his headlights fully illuminated when the police officer turned left directly in front of him causing the accident.

“Mr. Bush was coming from work to eat dinner with his mother and his girlfriend who were waiting for him at home. Now, a mother has lost her only child, a father has lost a son and the friends and family members of James Bush are now suffering an unspeakable loss,” the plantiff’s attorney said.

Few details were released the night of the accident by the St. Clair Shores Police Department, which then requested Michigan State Police to conduct the investigation. The investigation was completed weeks ago and has since been turned over to the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office for review to determine whether criminal charges will be filed.

Police officials have declined to identify the officer involved the crash, pending the outcome of the prosecutor’s review. He remains on paid, administrative leave.

The collision occurred on the Harper Woods side of Eight Mile Road in Wayne County. The lawsuit filed Monday in Wayne County Circuit Court states Officer Murphy had completed a U-turn to pursue a motorist driving without lights at approximately 9:30 p.m.

“He drove his vehicle so recklessly as to demonstrate a substantial lack of concern as to whether injury would result. At numerous times during his run, including the moment of the collision, defendant Officer Thomas Murphy drove his vehicle in violation of Michigan law in that he failed to operate his siren and overhead lights and failed to ascertain the potential safety of his actions prior to taking action,” the lawsuit states.

Femminineo said a woman driving a minivan west on Eight Mile Road without lights on, was followed by the officer and she turned left into her own driveway. The westbound police officer made a left turn to pull in behind her, flicking on his police lights right at the moment of impact with the motorcycle, the attorney said.

“The officer had no reason to rush, no reason to hurry, for pulling into a private driveway. There’s nowhere (for the minivan driver) to go,” Femminineo said.

“As the cop is turning left, his wheel is cocked, he begins to accelerate directly into the path of (Bush),” the attorney said. “If he had just put his (emergency) lights on when he was pursuing her and kept them on, it would’ve been a situation that anyone and everyone would know she’s being pulled over.”

Video from a camera inside the westbound police sport-utility vehicle shows the SUV beginning to turn left to cross the double-yellow center line of Eight Mile Road. The headlight from the oncoming motorcycle is visible. One second later, before the front end of the vehicle appears to have completely crossed the center of the road, the emergency lights are activated. About one second later, Bush appears to be attempting to lay the motorcycle down in a defense maneuver, and then collides with the front passenger side of the SUV at the front wheel.

Shortly after the impact, the officer calls for an ambulance and can be seen at the front of the police vehicle and telling Bush repeatedly, “Sir, are you OK? Are you OK, buddy?” The motorcycle driver is not in the camera’s view, but moaning can be heard.

The officer tells someone at the scene, “Did you see how fast he was coming down the road. ... I didn’t even see him at all.

“Because I was right behind you, and then I didn’t see nobody. Out of nowhere, there he is,” he continued. “He came flying out of nowhere. He was nowhere to be found. I wonder how fast he was going.

“He must have been flying because I was looking straight ahead.”

Femminineo said an accident report that he received shows that the officer failed to yield the right of way.
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it's going to be hard to police for profit in MI now.

Taking Property With Civil Forfeiture Just Got Harder For Michigan Police And Prosecutors

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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder signed an seven-bill package yesterday to curb civil forfeiture, an abusive police practice where people do not have to be convicted, much less charged with a crime, to permanently lose their property.

Unlike criminal convictions, which require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to win civil forfeiture cases in Michigan, the government need only show by a “preponderance of the evidence” (i.e. more likely than not) that there is a connection between a property and alleged wrongdoing.

Two of the newly signed bills, HB 4499 and 4505, increase the standard of proof to “clear and convincing evidence” in forfeiture cases that involve either controlled substances or “nuisances,” like prostitution or gambling. These reforms force prosecutors to provide more evidence in civil court when seeking forfeiture. Raising the burden of proof better protects due process for Michiganders who are otherwise threatened with forfeiture of their cash, vehicles or real estate. Only a handful of states require clear and convincing evidence or proof beyond a reasonable doubt in civil forfeiture proceedings.

The other bills, HB 4500, 4503, 4504, 4506 and 4507, strengthen reporting requirements, shedding a light on forfeiture in the state. Starting on February 1, 2016, law enforcement agencies will have to annually report “all seizure and forfeiture activities,” as well as disclose whether property owners facing forfeiture were criminally charged or convicted.
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Tenn lawmakers want to do the same, but the Police union likes all dat unearned money.

Tenn. lawmakers urged to keep asset forfeiture law intact

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Law enforcement officials on Monday urged Tennessee lawmakers not to join other states in dialing back police powers to seize cash and vehicles without first gaining criminal convictions.

While police defend civil asset forfeiture as a way to weaken lucrative criminal operations while funding crime-fighting efforts, opponents argue that the practice has become an overused tactic that violates citizens' private property rights — especially when there's insufficient evidence of a crime.

Conservative billionaire Charles Koch and the American Civil Liberties Union have forged an alliance to promote reining in the ability of police to seize property. They are touting as a national model a New Mexico law enacted this year requiring criminal convictions before authorities can dispose of seized assets.

Shelby County prosecutor Steve Jones, who also represents the West Tennessee Violent Crime and Drug Task Force, called it "government at its very best" to use criminal proceeds to fund law enforcement activities. He also warned members of the state Senate Judiciary Committee that changing the law could result in more crime.

"If you want to make a difference for our communities, take away criminal proceeds forfeiture funding," he said. "You'll make a huge difference, it just won't be a positive difference. The criminals will thank you."

Republican Sen. Mike Bell of Riceville bristled at the suggestion that lawmakers might be working on behalf of criminals by seeking to "protect the innocent who are occasionally caught up in this system."

"It's almost like you were trying to set up that you're either for us or you're for the criminals," Bell said.

Knoxville Police Chief David Rausch, the president of the Tennessee Association of Chiefs of Police, also urged lawmakers not to base policy on the rare instance of law enforcement abuse of forfeiture programs.

"It seems that many in our country are jumping on knee-jerk reactionary bandwagons that are the result of isolated incidents that may get misrepresented," Rausch said.

"To take away this ability to impact crime in our state because of a few bad apples would be a travesty," he said. "It would make Tennessee the haven for criminal gangs and a hub for criminal enterprise."

Tennessee Highway Patrol Col. Tracy Trott said that since the beginning of 2014, all but 2.5 percent of assets seizures came in cases where arrests were made. But the THP's largest-ever seizure of $4.1 million came in 2011 stop where troopers found the money in vacuum-sealed money stuffed in cases of waters in a tractor trailer.

The driver of the truck claimed no knowledge of the money and was not arrested, Trott said.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Brian Kelsey questioned whether it would make more sense for any proceeds from seizures to go to the state's general fund for appropriation back to law enforcement agencies instead of being kept by them on the front end.

Jones, the Shelby County prosecutor, said it would be an unwelcome change to make that money subject to the state's budgeting process and what he called "governmental red tape."

"You would call it that," Kelsey shot back. "But we would call it the legislative process."
Socialist Joe needs dat money to fund more police to kill you. **** the 4th amendment! You lost your right to the presumption of innocence when we suspected you of a crime! And ignore that part in the 5th about the govt taking your property for use without compensation or everything else our rulebook says we cant do.
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Was it stupid for this crazy dude to come out of his tent swinging? yes.

Did he deserve to die. NO.
I'm torn here.

On the one hand, his life had no value, and society is no worse (and, in fact, probably better) for his deprivation of it.

On the other hand, I'm not saying that execution should be mandatory for all mentally-disturbed ********. And, in particular, said executions, when they occur, must be regulated and authorized by the courts rather than being the sole prerogative of front-line law enforcement. This is what separates a civil society from a fascist one, and it's a foundational principle of criminal procedure in the US, and most of the western world. Police-sanctioned execution is a characteristic of philosophies such as National Socialism*, and that's not a system of social order that I'd condone.
* = fair and relevant observation in the context of the conversation, thus, Godwin's Law is not invoked.

I don't oppose mandatory execution for the deranged and worthless, but I recognize that there are other options available. These, of course, come at varying economic and social costs, and range from sterilization to lobotomy to segregation to internment to exile. It really comes down to seeking an acceptable balance between satisfying religious / ethical demands vis-a-vis "all life is sacred" (the anti-woman's-choice argument), and achieving an economically viable solution which allows said miscreants to retain the fundamental concept of life while not interfering with productive members of society and/or consuming an unduly large share of public resources.






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You have actually gone as far as suggesting that a baby's face getting blown off was the baby's fault for having a family member that was suspected of a crime.
I didn't say it was the baby's fault, I said it was the family's fault.

Those who lie with dogs tend to pick up fleas.

(Proverbially speaking, that is. I'm sure that your dogs have been sufficiently treated with harsh, toxic chemicals that no insect could possibly survive within 10 feet of them.)
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stop breaking the internet.
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hero cops.

arrested people filming because they were standing in an authorized vehicle only parking spot.


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On Friday 10/16/15 members of Lehigh Valley CopBlock and myself were arrested for filming at the PA State Police Barracks Troop N in Lehighton. The Names of the Troopers are Bower, Borger, and Waltman (arresting officer). We were held for about 3 hours and realased with none of our phones or cameras and told we were being charged for trespassing and disorderly conduct. My phone was returned on Thursday 10/22/15.
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NYPD #1.

Accused Midtown Subway Masturbator is Retired NYPD Officer, Sources Say - Midtown - DNAinfo.com New York

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A Staten Island man accused of masturbating in front of a woman waiting at a Midtown N/R train platform — and then pulling out a gun on a man who tried to stop him — is a retired NYPD officer who claimed he was just peeing on the subway platform, according to court documents and sources.

Steven Esposito, 56, made hissing sounds and then exposed himself to a 38-year-old woman while they waited on the southbound N/R platform at the Fifth Avenue-59th Street station just before midnight on Monday, according to authorities.

The woman started crying and Esposito then fled toward the exit, police said.

A 41-year-old good Samaritan who spoke to the victim chased after Esposito and filmed him with a cellphone, the NYPD said.

But as the two neared the exit, the retired officer pointed a handgun at the man told him to “turn around and mind your own f----ng business,” according to court papers.

Esposito then fled the station, authorities said.

Police arrested the Staten Island man on Wednesday and he was arraigned on misdemeanor charges of public lewdness and menacing. He was released without bail and is due back in court Dec. 1, according to court records.

Esposito later admitted to investigators that he pulled the gun on the good Samaritan but denied the public lewdness charge, saying he was only urinating inside the station, court documents show.
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only 13 felonies?

Indiana police officer charged with 13 felonies including voter fraud

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A Rising Sun police officer has been charged with 13 felonies following a lengthy an investigation conducted by Indiana State Police detectives.

Lowell Ross Colen, 42, was taken into custody at his home in Rising Sun Wednesday afternoon on a warrant containing 13 felony charges including ghost employment, official misconduct, forgery and voter fraud, a release from ISP said.

State Police detectives began investigating Colen four months ago, after discovering he may have been involved in criminal activity that took place during the 2015 primary election in Ohio County.

Police said Colen allegedly influenced individuals to vote in the Ohio County primary election and filled out absentee applications and ballots for people who were not eligible to vote in the county. The state police investigation found that Colen forged signatures on some of the applications and ballots and submitted them to the Ohio County Clerk’s Office.

Some of the criminal activity may have taken place while Colen was an on-duty Rising Sun police officer, the release said.

After the jail book-in process, police said Colen will be issued a bond and given an initial court date to appear in the Ohio County Circuit Court.
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towns cant afford cops if they arent out collecting taxes and instead focus on solving crimes:

Police Agencies Fold in St. Louis Area as Ticket Blitzes Stop

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...The city council of Charlack last week decided the community of 1,400 can’t afford an eight-officer police force under the new law, which says traffic citations in St. Louis County municipalities can’t exceed 12.5 percent of annual operating revenue, down from 30 percent. Policing in Charlack and in nearby Wellston, which dissolved its 23-officer force in May, is now handled by a recently created cooperative of local departments...
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At first, I assumed this guy was Braineack in disguise:

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But then I realized "Oh, he's talking ABOUT Braineack."

Liberal hipster.
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Yesterday i sat in of the armored Suburban that will transport the Chief of Mission at a particular High Threat Post. I even got to active the lights and pretend to run over ISIS.
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That guy looks like a hipster.
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That guy looks like a hipster.
That guy is who hipsters are trying to look like.
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