Long live Obamacare
03-28-2012, 07:40 PM
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Obamacare should fall, so this is great.
Just some notes:
-Obama sold this legislation on the promise that an average family's healthcare premiums would drop $2500/yr
-Since ratified, the average family's healthcare premiums have increased by $1300/yr
-Average premium rose 10% this year
-*average healthcare insurance company profits have increased by 9% this year*
And in case you weren't paying attention, unions and other large entities that significantly contributed to Obama's election campaign received waivers to exempt themselves from some or all of Obamacare provisions.
Just some notes:
-Obama sold this legislation on the promise that an average family's healthcare premiums would drop $2500/yr
-Since ratified, the average family's healthcare premiums have increased by $1300/yr
-Average premium rose 10% this year
-*average healthcare insurance company profits have increased by 9% this year*
And in case you weren't paying attention, unions and other large entities that significantly contributed to Obama's election campaign received waivers to exempt themselves from some or all of Obamacare provisions.
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03-28-2012, 07:45 PM
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I'll chime in. I thought the mandate portion of this law was bullshit from the start. The government ought not be allowed to force someone to purchase healthcare, or penalize them if they don't. I can't see how that would be legal. However, I do think there we need some sort of national preventative healthcare system in place. There is entirely too much money spent in hindsight to put people back together after they ruin themselves at McDonalds and in the freezer aisle. Perhaps a scenario whereby you pay in and get services, and if you don't, better start praying to your favorite god.
I'm self employed and pay for my health insurance in full out of pocket, but goddamn it's not getting any cheaper and I'd love to have an alternative that is less expensive, even if the gubment runs it. I even partook in the local health department for a year to see how that went. Frankly not too bad, but they are so broke I'm not sure it would be worth the larger hassle anymore.
I'm self employed and pay for my health insurance in full out of pocket, but goddamn it's not getting any cheaper and I'd love to have an alternative that is less expensive, even if the gubment runs it. I even partook in the local health department for a year to see how that went. Frankly not too bad, but they are so broke I'm not sure it would be worth the larger hassle anymore.
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03-28-2012, 09:37 PM
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All due to distortions the gov't creates in the market, at the behest of those who are supposedly regulated, in the name of "progressivism" and "regulation".
When "liberals" argue against the free market, I ask them "what's the free market good for anyway, why don't we just have *everything* run by the gov't?". If they can't answer intelligibly, it's useless arguing with them, and, they can't argue against it intelligently if they can't say what it's supposedly good for.
When "liberals" argue against the free market, I ask them "what's the free market good for anyway, why don't we just have *everything* run by the gov't?". If they can't answer intelligibly, it's useless arguing with them, and, they can't argue against it intelligently if they can't say what it's supposedly good for.
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03-28-2012, 11:24 PM
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Been too busy working and working on the car to bother with politics much lately Hustly, had someone point me here.
Tell you what bro, let's make this interesting. I have a bet for you.
If Obamacare is declared unconstitutional, you get to dictate what my avatar/sig is for the next week.
If Obamacare is declared constitutional, I get to dictate what you put as your avatar/sig for the next week.
Seriously, if you are that confident, it should be a no brainer. I don't care too much either way, but this makes it interesting.
P.S. Exemptions are stuff that would get a party banned from here (Goatse avatar? No).
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03-29-2012, 12:18 AM
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When "liberals" argue against the free market, I ask them "what's the free market good for anyway, why don't we just have *everything* run by the gov't?". If they can't answer intelligibly, it's useless arguing with them, and, they can't argue against it intelligently if they can't say what it's supposedly good for.
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03-29-2012, 12:23 AM
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100% serious question: How do you decry a piece of legislation as "communist" and "unconstitutional", and then in the same post whine about a company making more money off of health insurance?
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03-29-2012, 12:31 AM
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Hurry, someone rep this post!
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