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Old 04-26-2012, 12:58 PM   #21
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i felt the same way when i watched the sitter and nothing came of the cops who stole the diamonds and coke from him.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:33 PM   #22
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Everything that's being said here is pretty much accurate. The military legal system tends to go out of it's way to keep "little" things from blowing up into a complete media shitstorm. The military in fact would prefer to keep all of it's legal processes in-house so-to-speak. With modern media methods, you almost never hear of a military legal matter from within the military... it's almost always from the family trying to gain support for their sailor/soldier who has done something really illegal, but think if they can get enough public support, some Senator/Congressman who has never served will raise a big stink and "fight" for them. It's disgusting.

As a former command legal officer, I've been in on some mind-blowingly retarded stuff.

We had a kid go AWOL, and was declared a deserter for about 8 months. While he was gone, he let his buddies use his on-base house as a crash pad and they destroyed it. While he was gone, he got divorced, and then re-married, but was single for about 2 months. So, his buddies caused $15k damage to the house, and he didn't work for 8 months.

When he shows back up, the results of the legal process are as follows.
#1: Receive full backpay.
#2: Not at fault for damage to house.
#3: Full MARRIED housing allowance granted for the entire time he was gone (even though he was single 2 months).
#4: SEA-TIME counter still running (your sea-time is the total time you are "at-sea" on a ship which counts towards bonus pays... it's a big deal)
#5: And given a nice cushy desk job for 6 months to re-acclimatize.

WHY??? Because about 4 months after he left, he texted a buddy and told him where he was, the buddy told his Chief, and the Chief sat on it, hoping the scumbag would stay gone. This was a significant technicality, and when the kid finally showed back up, he said, "What, I called, nobody called me back... I wanted to come in, but nobody seemed to care about me."

So you see, the military legal system is just as f'ed up as civilian courts. We have the same lawyers and same burdens as just about anywhere else... and no matter how bad you f'up, you can always find somebody else to blame. And usually, they just transfer you to a new command, and you go right back to work like it never happened.

Currently, most cases of "refusing to obey a direct order" are people who refuse to deploy with their units, and then claim a "conscientous objector" status. I know of not a single combat related "refusal" in my time in the military... they just don't happen all that often anymore. As an all-volunteer force, it's gonna be a rarity that you're not willing to do something you signed up for. Running away to Canada was all the rage for awhile, and the military does prosecute some of those cases when they return, but it tends to happen quietly and under the radar. Mostly those types are simply dishonorably discharged in-absentia. Currently, pecifically with regard to running away to Canada... it's not going to do you any good to go there if that country supports the war as well. This article is a few years old, but...:
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:01 PM   #23
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Great responses!

Hustler - I'll educate myself more on the New Orleans firearms confiscation to make sure I am not just regurgitating false information. For example, if it was the NOPD and not the National Guard, that would make a difference in my thought process. Likewise, if the law enforcement (military or civilian) was confiscating "abandoned" firearms, that might make a difference versus taking firearms from their owners' active possession.

Sam and Joe - great insight; thanks for that.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:12 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by hustler View Post
How soon and how much time did you spend in NOLA after Katrina. Serious question. Also, what records do you have which demonstrates that firearms were confiscated by Feds rather than locals?

I know NOPD did it, but you can't tell me your afraid of the feds because of something the local police did.,2933,192347,00.html
I'd be ultra-pissed if the police took my weapons and then told me I needed the bill of sale and had to endure a criminal background check to get my steel back.
From the above story you linked:
"Police and soldiers removed guns from houses after the storm flooded the city, and they confiscated guns from some evacuees."

"Percy Taplet, 73, said the National Guard and state police confiscated his shotgun when they arrived to tell him to leave his house."

That sounds like the military (and local police) confiscating firearms from the active possession of citizens to me. Am I misunderstanding that?
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:50 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack View Post
"Percy Taplet, 73, said the National Guard and state police confiscated his shotgun when they arrived to tell him to leave his house."
One thing that I'm not entirely clear on is the exact organizational structure of the "National Guard."

While National Guard units are capable of being federalized, and are considered to be a reserve component of the US Army, my admittedly somewhat limited understanding is that the individual units of the Guard are chartered and organized at the state level, under the Militia Act of 1903. For instance, the decision to mobilize the National Guard to secure the city of NO was made by Lousiana governor Kathleen Blanco, not by the Federal government. Governor Blanco subsequently refused an attempt by DHS to take control of the efforts, claiming that "her National Guard could manage."

As such, having National Guard troops perform police-style duties in NOLA may not be entirely the same as if the regular Army were mobilized in such a capacity. To me, this is much more akin to calling in the state police, which from the above quotes seems to be precisely who they were working alongside. We're all big fans of States Rights here, and from what I can tell, this may well be a Louisiana issue rather than a Federal issue.
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