Military Pay Freeze
#21
Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
#23
Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
#24
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
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Well to be fair our military has hardly been used appropriately for years.
Needs more rattlesnake.
1. The rattlesnake is found in no other corner of the world except America.
2. She never begins an attack nor when once engaged, never surrenders…
3. She never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."
Needs more rattlesnake.
1. The rattlesnake is found in no other corner of the world except America.
2. She never begins an attack nor when once engaged, never surrenders…
3. She never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."
#26
People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
#30
People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
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1. To become a zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.
2. Your own happiness is the moral purpose of your life, with productive achievement as your noblest activity, and reason as your only absolute.
2. Your own happiness is the moral purpose of your life, with productive achievement as your noblest activity, and reason as your only absolute.
#33
No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
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#36
No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
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That is like saying, you got a job at McDonalds to flip burgers, pay shouldn't be on your mind.
WE HAVE FAMILIES TOO! Why the **** shouldn't money be on our mind?
Sure some people get paid money in the military to do nothing, sure. They don't call it hurry up and wait for nothing. Not all of us are like that. I work 100+ hours a week. 6 days a week. I have 50 soldiers to care for. I go to the field for a week once a month, which means no contact really with friends/family. No warm bed, no TV, no computer. It doesn't really bother me, but some of you would curl up and die.
If you want what we have please join. See what we deal with. If you don't qualify, or don't want to kthxbai. I don't want you ******* sympathy. I do my job because I know what's out there.
There are a lot more things that need to be looked at before they start getting crazy with the military. That is the last thing this country has left. **** them off and game over.
#39
I agree with FRT 2 posts above. Though a week per month in the field is nothing compared to 6 months on a ship or in the desert. The military is not easy unless you go in for a desk jockey job or get lucky and go to shore duty right off the bat for your first (and probably only) enlistment.
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No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."