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05-13-2013, 12:35 PM
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There is not nearly enough context for that video to tell what actually happened. It starts out with the cop already in the house with no backstory. He showed no signs of unnecessary force and he pulled his Taser because he was obviously feeling threatened by the fact that he was surrounded by 4 or 5 people who were freaking out without any backup. It was a deterrent.
Unless he illegally entered the home I do not see anything wrong here and without a good bit of background on what happened just before the video started up he may have had probable cause to bust the door-in. It looks like the one guy ditched his car in a hurry in front of the house and ran inside. The officer may have felt that evidence could have been destroyed if he did not enter the premises. They also owe no duty to tell that family anything about why the other person was arrested while they are still on scene like that. It will all become public record once he is processed.
Unless he illegally entered the home I do not see anything wrong here and without a good bit of background on what happened just before the video started up he may have had probable cause to bust the door-in. It looks like the one guy ditched his car in a hurry in front of the house and ran inside. The officer may have felt that evidence could have been destroyed if he did not enter the premises. They also owe no duty to tell that family anything about why the other person was arrested while they are still on scene like that. It will all become public record once he is processed.
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05-13-2013, 01:01 PM
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Apparently the man arrested was released with no charges. The cop was following him, and when the dude went into his house, the officier got out of his cruiser, broke the door down and arrested him; about the point where the video comes on.
these statements are unconfirmed.
these statements are unconfirmed.
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05-13-2013, 03:18 PM
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your government dollars at work....
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ndix%20VII.PDF
The funny thing is that there's a butt-load of people who will not be able to imagine what the "shoe on the other foot" would look like, or even worse, take this type of heavy-handed gov't tactic as "acceptable" in the grand scheme of the nanny state.
The funny thing is that there's a butt-load of people who will not be able to imagine what the "shoe on the other foot" would look like, or even worse, take this type of heavy-handed gov't tactic as "acceptable" in the grand scheme of the nanny state.
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05-13-2013, 03:22 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ndix%20VII.PDF
The funny thing is that there's a butt-load of people who will not be able to imagine what the "shoe on the other foot" would look like, or even worse, take this type of heavy-handed gov't tactic as "acceptable" in the grand scheme of the nanny state.
The funny thing is that there's a butt-load of people who will not be able to imagine what the "shoe on the other foot" would look like, or even worse, take this type of heavy-handed gov't tactic as "acceptable" in the grand scheme of the nanny state.
they were HAPPY to put that information out.
If you’re going to have scandals (Benghazi) you might as well save the medium size scandals until you can use them to distract from the bigger ones.
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05-14-2013, 09:39 AM
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There is not nearly enough context for that video to tell what actually happened. It starts out with the cop already in the house with no backstory. He showed no signs of unnecessary force and he pulled his Taser because he was obviously feeling threatened by the fact that he was surrounded by 4 or 5 people who were freaking out without any backup. It was a deterrent.
Unless he illegally entered the home I do not see anything wrong here and without a good bit of background on what happened just before the video started up he may have had probable cause to bust the door-in. It looks like the one guy ditched his car in a hurry in front of the house and ran inside. The officer may have felt that evidence could have been destroyed if he did not enter the premises. They also owe no duty to tell that family anything about why the other person was arrested while they are still on scene like that. It will all become public record once he is processed.
Unless he illegally entered the home I do not see anything wrong here and without a good bit of background on what happened just before the video started up he may have had probable cause to bust the door-in. It looks like the one guy ditched his car in a hurry in front of the house and ran inside. The officer may have felt that evidence could have been destroyed if he did not enter the premises. They also owe no duty to tell that family anything about why the other person was arrested while they are still on scene like that. It will all become public record once he is processed.
5/10/13
These officers do not believe in the Constitution or the rights it protects...
The Backstory:
Police are called out to an apartment for a noise compliant by the neighbors. The three occupants inside non-aggressively exercise their fourth amendment right, refusing the police entry as they demand at gun point to let them inside without a search warrant or probable cause.
As the police quickly holster their weapons after the camera turns on, the three occupants continue to exercise their rights non-aggressively. The police respond by going into "over-the-top" aggressive mode, utilizing excessive force by kicking in the door, assaulting the female and tazing the cameraman four times causing the camera to short out. All three occupants are arrested/cited for obstruction.
These officers do not believe in the Constitution or the rights it protects...
The Backstory:
Police are called out to an apartment for a noise compliant by the neighbors. The three occupants inside non-aggressively exercise their fourth amendment right, refusing the police entry as they demand at gun point to let them inside without a search warrant or probable cause.
As the police quickly holster their weapons after the camera turns on, the three occupants continue to exercise their rights non-aggressively. The police respond by going into "over-the-top" aggressive mode, utilizing excessive force by kicking in the door, assaulting the female and tazing the cameraman four times causing the camera to short out. All three occupants are arrested/cited for obstruction.
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05-14-2013, 10:32 AM
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Circling back to some posts circa 4200...
Interesting idea that the concept of retirement could be less than 100 years old, something developed in the late 20th century with the combination of pensions (private and public) and later, IRAs and 401(k)s. Combine that with improvements in healthcare and prevention (including sanitation and pre-natal care) and you have people living longer + theoretically being able to stop working and live independently for decades.
Prior to about 1940, you effectively worked until you died or became a ward of your family.
Interesting idea that the concept of retirement could be less than 100 years old, something developed in the late 20th century with the combination of pensions (private and public) and later, IRAs and 401(k)s. Combine that with improvements in healthcare and prevention (including sanitation and pre-natal care) and you have people living longer + theoretically being able to stop working and live independently for decades.
Prior to about 1940, you effectively worked until you died or became a ward of your family.
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05-14-2013, 10:49 AM
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Considering people are living much longer still, the trend is going to continue to reverse and the participation above 65 yo is going to increase...especially as teens decrease.
no it's not ironic, but you get the idea.
no it's not ironic, but you get the idea.
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05-14-2013, 11:18 AM
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On a related note to the labor force participation rate and Braineack's last picture, I read a white paper this weekend regarding the probable reversion to the long-term trend that Joe Perez postulated about here.
They accounted for the growth in Social Security disability claims (a pretty steady 4-5% annualized growth since the late '90s, if I recall correctly), and found that made only a small impact.
They also accounted for workers that had given up on finding a job. They found that number had a minimum impact, if any.
The vast majority of the shift in the labor participation rate was caused by demographics. The Baby Boomers increased the LPR during their peak working years and are now decreasing it as they move to retirement. Eventually, other cohorts may move the needle back.
Consider that "Generation Y" (aka the Millenials, aka the Echo Boomers) are often considered to be the group born between 1983 and 2000. Birth rates peaked in the USA around 1999 or 2000 (IIRC). That group makes up between a quarter and a third of the US population with the oldest in that group being age 30. In the next decade or two, as they move in to their more significant earning, they may pick up more of the "slack" of the Baby Boomers than many people recognize.
They accounted for the growth in Social Security disability claims (a pretty steady 4-5% annualized growth since the late '90s, if I recall correctly), and found that made only a small impact.
They also accounted for workers that had given up on finding a job. They found that number had a minimum impact, if any.
The vast majority of the shift in the labor participation rate was caused by demographics. The Baby Boomers increased the LPR during their peak working years and are now decreasing it as they move to retirement. Eventually, other cohorts may move the needle back.
Consider that "Generation Y" (aka the Millenials, aka the Echo Boomers) are often considered to be the group born between 1983 and 2000. Birth rates peaked in the USA around 1999 or 2000 (IIRC). That group makes up between a quarter and a third of the US population with the oldest in that group being age 30. In the next decade or two, as they move in to their more significant earning, they may pick up more of the "slack" of the Baby Boomers than many people recognize.
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05-14-2013, 12:24 PM
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On a related note to the labor force participation rate and Braineack's last picture, I read a white paper this weekend regarding the probable reversion to the long-term trend that Joe Perez postulated about here.
They accounted for the growth in Social Security disability claims (a pretty steady 4-5% annualized growth since the late '90s, if I recall correctly), and found that made only a small impact.
They also accounted for workers that had given up on finding a job. They found that number had a minimum impact, if any.
The vast majority of the shift in the labor participation rate was caused by demographics. The Baby Boomers increased the LPR during their peak working years and are now decreasing it as they move to retirement. Eventually, other cohorts may move the needle back.
Consider that "Generation Y" (aka the Millenials, aka the Echo Boomers) are often considered to be the group born between 1983 and 2000. Birth rates peaked in the USA around 1999 or 2000 (IIRC). That group makes up between a quarter and a third of the US population with the oldest in that group being age 30. In the next decade or two, as they move in to their more significant earning, they may pick up more of the "slack" of the Baby Boomers than many people recognize.
They accounted for the growth in Social Security disability claims (a pretty steady 4-5% annualized growth since the late '90s, if I recall correctly), and found that made only a small impact.
They also accounted for workers that had given up on finding a job. They found that number had a minimum impact, if any.
The vast majority of the shift in the labor participation rate was caused by demographics. The Baby Boomers increased the LPR during their peak working years and are now decreasing it as they move to retirement. Eventually, other cohorts may move the needle back.
Consider that "Generation Y" (aka the Millenials, aka the Echo Boomers) are often considered to be the group born between 1983 and 2000. Birth rates peaked in the USA around 1999 or 2000 (IIRC). That group makes up between a quarter and a third of the US population with the oldest in that group being age 30. In the next decade or two, as they move in to their more significant earning, they may pick up more of the "slack" of the Baby Boomers than many people recognize.
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05-14-2013, 12:27 PM
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insurance to skyrocket
Insurers predict 100%-400% Obamacare rate explosion | WashingtonExaminer.com
If you asked a business professional what would happen to retail costs if a layer of bureaucracy was added to a product or service, you'd get a predictable answer.
Next we get to find out what happens when the IRS becomes the main "enforcers" of this new bloated program. I for one trust the system.
If you asked a business professional what would happen to retail costs if a layer of bureaucracy was added to a product or service, you'd get a predictable answer.
Next we get to find out what happens when the IRS becomes the main "enforcers" of this new bloated program. I for one trust the system.
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05-14-2013, 02:02 PM
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Attribution meaning source citation? Or meaning actual data figures?
And for what part? I'm assuming not the definition or size of the Baby and Echo Boomers so - doing a bit of stereotyping - I'm going to guess you want some detail on the suggestion that demographics are a much bigger driver of the labor participation rate than discouraged workers or disability claimants.
The research white paper is from an investment bank and I can't remember if it is approved for public consumption, so I can't publish it. The data was all compiled from the BLS and FRED, so I am sure I can pull the primary data up - but it won't be in as clean a presentation as their compiled information.
In fact, here is a less granular (and less pretty) representation of one of their data points that I was able to recreate just now. This is the number of discouraged workers (people who want to work but have given up hope of finding a job) as a percentage of the working age population.
The numbers on the Y-axis are in percentage. That is, at its worst, of the working age population, about one half of one percent had given up searching for work because they felt there were no jobs available. The number is higher than it's average over the past 20 years, but these people still make up a tiny fraction of the pool.
As for the disability claimants, I'll come back and try to recreate that data set with public information when I have another few minutes.
It's basically a constant slope for the past 10 years or so.
And for what part? I'm assuming not the definition or size of the Baby and Echo Boomers so - doing a bit of stereotyping - I'm going to guess you want some detail on the suggestion that demographics are a much bigger driver of the labor participation rate than discouraged workers or disability claimants.
The research white paper is from an investment bank and I can't remember if it is approved for public consumption, so I can't publish it. The data was all compiled from the BLS and FRED, so I am sure I can pull the primary data up - but it won't be in as clean a presentation as their compiled information.
In fact, here is a less granular (and less pretty) representation of one of their data points that I was able to recreate just now. This is the number of discouraged workers (people who want to work but have given up hope of finding a job) as a percentage of the working age population.
The numbers on the Y-axis are in percentage. That is, at its worst, of the working age population, about one half of one percent had given up searching for work because they felt there were no jobs available. The number is higher than it's average over the past 20 years, but these people still make up a tiny fraction of the pool.
As for the disability claimants, I'll come back and try to recreate that data set with public information when I have another few minutes.
It's basically a constant slope for the past 10 years or so.
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05-14-2013, 02:10 PM
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And Cord - it may make you happy to know that the labor force participation rate may keep going down for the next couple of years which could actually reduce the U3 (headline) unemployment rate.
Why will that make you happy? Because you will be able to legitimately complain that the unemployment rate is even more misleading because it will be driven more by fewer people looking for jobs than by an increase in the number of people looking for and earning jobs. [Young people generally staying in school longer + Baby Boomers retiring]
Why will that make you happy? Because you will be able to legitimately complain that the unemployment rate is even more misleading because it will be driven more by fewer people looking for jobs than by an increase in the number of people looking for and earning jobs. [Young people generally staying in school longer + Baby Boomers retiring]
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05-15-2013, 01:11 AM
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And Cord - it may make you happy to know that the labor force participation rate may keep going down for the next couple of years which could actually reduce the U3 (headline) unemployment rate.
Why will that make you happy? Because you will be able to legitimately complain that the unemployment rate is even more misleading because it will be driven more by fewer people looking for jobs than by an increase in the number of people looking for and earning jobs. [Young people generally staying in school longer + Baby Boomers retiring]
Why will that make you happy? Because you will be able to legitimately complain that the unemployment rate is even more misleading because it will be driven more by fewer people looking for jobs than by an increase in the number of people looking for and earning jobs. [Young people generally staying in school longer + Baby Boomers retiring]
Hey, let's just cut to the chase...Bernanke is full of ****, and is essentially turning Americans into paupers by manipulating currency. Retirement as a historic anomaly is BS. Obama is also quite full of ****. The employment numbers can't be excused away by "well, everybody just retired", and the failed stimulus measures simply mask the hard left turn by our government. These "temporary measures" are anything but, and mark America's foray into Socialism.
How long we dabble here will determine whether we last as a country.
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05-15-2013, 06:49 AM
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Hey, let's just cut to the chase...Bernanke is full of ****, and is essentially turning Americans into paupers by manipulating currency. Retirement as a historic anomaly is BS. Obama is also quite full of ****. The employment numbers can't be excused away by "well, everybody just retired", and the failed stimulus measures simply mask the hard left turn by our government. These "temporary measures" are anything but, and mark America's foray into Socialism.
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05-15-2013, 08:56 AM
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HAHA SHEEPLE:
Florida quietly shortened yellow light standards & lengths, resulting in more red light camera tickets for you | wtsp.com
when they finally lengthed the yellow light times in one intersection, tickets issued plummeted:
gotta love cronyism.
Florida quietly shortened yellow light standards & lengths, resulting in more red light camera tickets for you | wtsp.com
when they finally lengthed the yellow light times in one intersection, tickets issued plummeted:
gotta love cronyism.
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05-15-2013, 09:03 AM
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