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06-12-2016, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/shooting-orlando-club/85785254/
Police Chief John Mina said the tragedy began at 2:02 a.m., when three police officers engaged the suspect in a gun battle outside the club. A hostage situation then took place inside, and a SWAT team was called in, Mina said. Police received updates from patrons trapped in the club, and decided to storm the club at about 5 a.m.
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06-12-2016, 02:49 PM
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No, not outside, after most of the people were shot. If I understand the true scenario correctly: shooting of innocents, followed by an outside "engagement", followed by a hostage situation, followed by a SWAT rescue.
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06-12-2016, 03:37 PM
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In all seriousness, though. There's been a lot of discussion today about the religious beliefs of the killer. People are saying things like "We just spent a week honoring a man, well known to us, who was inspired by Islam to spread peace & justice to every corner of this world, touching millions of lives in a beautiful way. I, and Muslims across this country, refuse to be involuntarily represented by some demented murderer unknown to us who ruthlessly took the lives of tens of people in Orlando today."
Funny how nopony ever brings up atheism in the context of affixing blame for hate-crimes.
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06-12-2016, 05:04 PM
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This is the same argument that military leadership is currently using to keep us disarmed on bases. I have Wings of Gold, a TSCI clearance, hundreds of hours of rules-of-engagement/anti-terrorism/force-protection training, and thousands of rounds of practice and scenario firearms training... and somehow, the brass still considers me unable to make a critical real-time decision during an activer-shooter scenario to know who the bad guy is (hint, the one walking around shooting people) and what to do when uniformed cops arrive (ie, put my gun down and do what they say).
In all seriousness, though. There's been a lot of discussion today about the religious beliefs of the killer. People are saying things like "We just spent a week honoring a man, well known to us, who was inspired by Islam to spread peace & justice to every corner of this world, touching millions of lives in a beautiful way. I, and Muslims across this country, refuse to be involuntarily represented by some demented murderer unknown to us who ruthlessly took the lives of tens of people in Orlando today."
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06-12-2016, 05:24 PM
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Also, I'm pretty sure I've been in a few bars/clubs that were not gay only? Maybe I was imaging things though.
Considering that it's a well-known statistic that those with concealed carry licenses, as a group, are one of the most law-abiding classes of people there are, it seems to me that allowing "law-abiding-sober-permit-having-gay-people" to carry in a club can only be a good thing for collective self-defense.
The classic argument that liberals and anti-gun cops make... "good guys won't be able to tell each-other apart" is complete horseshit and has been proven false in almost every real-world example where it's happened. Ie, where multiple good-guys who did not know eachother prior to a random incident didn't shoot eachother when simultaneously engaging a bad guy.
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