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Old 03-22-2017, 01:57 PM
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That awkward moment when you keep screaming fake news and it turns into real news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4da1970b8ba4

This just in. Trump is the illuminati.
From Fake News:

House intel chairman: Trump personal communications may have been collected - CNNPolitics.com
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:58 PM
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Yes because one dead person means we should possibly ban billions.
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Muslims doing their thing man. Another terrorist attack in london.

London attack: Two killed in Westminster 'terror' incident - BBC News
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shuiend
Yes because one dead person means we should possibly ban billions.
Agreed. How many dead people would be enough?
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Originally Posted by hector
Agreed. How many dead people would be enough?
More then that die in car accidentally yearly to even get me to care. I have 100% zero worry about being killed by a terrorist in my country. I am for 100% open immigration. I agree completely with what is below.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”"
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Originally Posted by triple88a
Muslims doing their thing man. Another terrorist attack in london.

London attack: Two killed in Westminster 'terror' incident - BBC News

he's a screen capture from the France's 24 Arabic live stream:

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ISIS et al have been known to maintain a pretty strong online presence. I wonder who they find at the end of those lines. It's not like we don't have the means to track that.

As a side note, is anyone actually surprised at the hatred of the US/the West? For all our talk of democracy we do a pretty good job of propping up dictators when it's convenient for us. Not to mention all that lovely arms-ware we so willingly send their way courtesy of the US of A.

A lot of this started with the Mujahedeen who have pretty good reason to hate us given our history. I mean, they were shooting at our troops with cold war era weaponry we'd given them to help the Afghans fight the Soviet Union at the time. And then pulled the **** out of there afterwards balking on all the promises to help rebuild etc.

I obviously don't condone what's happening, but anyone that knows anything about history shouldn't really be surprised at this result given our foreign policy. We ******* suck the Saudi's metaphorical dick and they've done more to fund wahabism than ISIS will ever be able to.

Islam is seemingly veering towards a 30 years war of their own and we've been backing a pretty major player in the turmoil. No country can openly declare war on the US without expecting to be completely decimated, but they sure as hell can fund the **** out of terrorism. I'm morally against it, but at times the swordfish approach would be oh-so tempting.

Posted for comment. Seriously curious what ya'll think since there are a ton of backgrounds here including those with more military background knowledge and background than I will ever have...
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Did you hear that white supremacy is dead?

NYPD: Midtown Stabbing Suspect Wanted To Kill Black Men In The Media Capital Of The World: Gothamist
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
ISIS et al have been known to maintain a pretty strong online presence. I wonder who they find at the end of those lines. It's not like we don't have the means to track that.

As a side note, is anyone actually surprised at the hatred of the US/the West? For all our talk of democracy we do a pretty good job of propping up dictators when it's convenient for us. Not to mention all that lovely arms-ware we so willingly send their way courtesy of the US of A.

A lot of this started with the Mujahedeen who have pretty good reason to hate us given our history. I mean, they were shooting at our troops with cold war era weaponry we'd given them to help the Afghans fight the Soviet Union at the time. And then pulled the **** out of there afterwards balking on all the promises to help rebuild etc.

I obviously don't condone what's happening, but anyone that knows anything about history shouldn't really be surprised at this result given our foreign policy. We ******* suck the Saudi's metaphorical dick and they've done more to fund wahabism than ISIS will ever be able to.

Islam is seemingly veering towards a 30 years war of their own and we've been backing a pretty major player in the turmoil. No country can openly declare war on the US without expecting to be completely decimated, but they sure as hell can fund the **** out of terrorism. I'm morally against it, but at times the swordfish approach would be oh-so tempting.

Posted for comment. Seriously curious what ya'll think since there are a ton of backgrounds here including those with more military background knowledge and background than I will ever have...
Pretty simple. Follow the money. Maybe ISIS is fundamentally a religious movement but even that, at the core, I'd suspect is about the money.

I mean even the crusades ultimately were about the money in a sense. Maybe I try to oversimplify.

With a defense industry the size of ours you need a way to feed the beast. If we spent, on a GDP, what the NATO target is we'd cut our defense budget by 30% instead of increasing it 10%. And that doesn't count the intel services. Imagine the outcry if an administration was to suggest cutting defense spending that much.

Re being in the military... I'd have never dreamed you could kill someone from a drone xx,xxx miles away while sitting in a shipping container in Nevada. And watch the missle hit.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
ISIS et al have been known to maintain a pretty strong online presence. I wonder who they find at the end of those lines. It's not like we don't have the means to track that.

As a side note, is anyone actually surprised at the hatred of the US/the West? For all our talk of democracy we do a pretty good job of propping up dictators when it's convenient for us. Not to mention all that lovely arms-ware we so willingly send their way courtesy of the US of A.

A lot of this started with the Mujahedeen who have pretty good reason to hate us given our history. I mean, they were shooting at our troops with cold war era weaponry we'd given them to help the Afghans fight the Soviet Union at the time. And then pulled the **** out of there afterwards balking on all the promises to help rebuild etc.

I obviously don't condone what's happening, but anyone that knows anything about history shouldn't really be surprised at this result given our foreign policy. We ******* suck the Saudi's metaphorical dick and they've done more to fund wahabism than ISIS will ever be able to.

Islam is seemingly veering towards a 30 years war of their own and we've been backing a pretty major player in the turmoil. No country can openly declare war on the US without expecting to be completely decimated, but they sure as hell can fund the **** out of terrorism. I'm morally against it, but at times the swordfish approach would be oh-so tempting.

Posted for comment. Seriously curious what ya'll think since there are a ton of backgrounds here including those with more military background knowledge and background than I will ever have...
Prior to our "meddling", it was the British who used the Middle East for a chess board. Of course we've never gained an extra state or a barrel of oil (officially) for our troubles. What the Brits did was basically break up the entire region of nomadic tribes into geographic regions, with the reasonable assumption that they'd fight amongst themselves and not bother anyone else. If they contained their shenanigans to their region, I'd prefer this method.
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Originally Posted by bahurd
Pretty simple. Follow the money. Maybe ISIS is fundamentally a religious movement but even that, at the core, I'd suspect is about the money.

I mean even the crusades ultimately were about the money in a sense. Maybe I try to oversimplify.

With a defense industry the size of ours you need a way to feed the beast. If we spent, on a GDP, what the NATO target is we'd cut our defense budget by 30% instead of increasing it 10%. And that doesn't count the intel services. Imagine the outcry if an administration was to suggest cutting defense spending that much.
The Crusades were NOT about the money, just as the Spanish Inquisition wasn't about turning everyone Catholic. Both happened because of the encroachment/murder/rape/takeover of land by Muslims. If you've ever seen the timeline graphic of Muslim attacks compared to the Crusades (a push-back), you'd be amazed. This **** has been going for as long as Mohammed has liked underage girls.
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why does every liberal bring up the crusades?

do you guys have like weekly meetings to keep you silly talking points straight?
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Originally Posted by cordycord
Prior to our "meddling", it was the British who used the Middle East for a chess board. Of course we've never gained an extra state or a barrel of oil (officially) for our troubles. What the Brits did was basically break up the entire region of nomadic tribes into geographic regions, with the reasonable assumption that they'd fight amongst themselves and not bother anyone else. If they contained their shenanigans to their region, I'd prefer this method.
I grew up in India and I've worked in 'Africa'. I'm fully aware of the invented geopolitical conflicts.

The US has been flexing its muscle that way in the 'neo-colonial times' so to speak. Sure, we haven't gained a state in terms of territory, but our financial support of one player vs another certainly adds fuel to old conflicts.

I read an ethnographic account on the Nuer in college. Basic takeaway about this kind of thing was that the rules of engagement etc kept things in check pretty well. Removing those and making greater weapons of war and introducing them to old conflict kinda blew things out of proportion, i.e. you were able to do so much damage in one fell swoop that the balance was forever thrown out of whack.

I don't claim to understand war though... Not sure I'd ever want to be able to do that.
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I do enjoy that the cost of his weekend outings at this rate will cost as much as the funding for the NEA which is clearly evidence of government over spending.

Sure takes a lot of vacations for someone that said he'd never do such a thing!

Not to mention the cost of his wife and son staying in NYC, which is without precedent is it not? I'm sure there aren't any schools good enough in DC for that. I've seen estimates of ~50mill a year for the privilege of not having to move to the place that's built to house the first family...

Whatta world.
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At least your source knows what the $ will buy;

The new home – his third – is located on an island in Lake Champlain, said The Washington Post, and it cost three times the average home price in Vermont. The Post says Sanders and his family intend to use the property as a vacation home.
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weird, i think bernie has his facts wrong:






but then again, "taxing" the rich was part of the plan:





why do you feel it's odd, that the people paying the bill, will get a relieve when they no longer have to pay the bill?
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