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Old 11-16-2015, 09:00 AM   #5561
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Pragmatism: "That estimate actually seems quite low."




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I haven't found much in the way of confirmation, but apparently Vladimir Putin has vowed to "annihilate" ISIS.

Putin Vows To Annihilate 'Terrorists' After Suicide Bombings - Business Insider

Now, granted, hyperbole is common in times such as these. But as a matter of historical precedent, when Russia vows to annihilate someone, things do not go well for them.

Remember that, according to credible intel, ISIS was responsible for the bombing of a Russian airliner (Когалымавиа flight 9268) less than a month ago, which killed 2224 people. The Russians already have good reason to be pissed.
Look at the date of the article.
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Look at the date of the article.
Whoops, poor choice of citation on my part.

I guess he makes that claim often. Most of the sources I came across were dated rather more recently.

On the plus side, the Russian air force has been kicking *** lately.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:21 AM   #5563
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Something about a loosely-organized band of blackhat hackers formally declaring war upon an organization tickles my sense of nostalgia for the great hacker wars of the 1980s (MOD v. LOD, etc.)


Anonymous Has Declared War on ISIS in Revenge for the Paris Attacks | Maxim
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i find the irony in a group that wears the face of a religious terrorist who tried to blow people up and overthrow the gov't, declaring war on a group of religous people that likes to blow things up and overthrow govt's.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:34 AM   #5565
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a group that wears the face of a religious terrorist who tried to blow people up and overthrow the gov't...
Yes, but they're doing it ironically. That makes everything ok, like wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Hitler on it, done in the style of all those T-shirts with the likeness of Che Guevara on them.
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My friend left one of the restaurants that was bombed, just 40 minutes prior. His Parisian co-worker lost four of his friends in the concert bombing.

It's a small world, and it can happen in your own back yard. If the refugee issue blows from this, expect governments to topple and terrorism to become a sporting event.
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Yes, but they're doing it ironically.
is that why? or because they saw some silly movie based off a silly comic book and got their first boner and dont actually understand the meaning and like the che guervara shirts?
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Old 11-16-2015, 01:03 PM   #5568
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Now, granted, hyperbole is common in times such as these.

Remember that, according to credible intel, ISIS was responsible for the bombing of a Russian airliner (flight 9268) less than a month ago, which killed 2224 people.
The number of people you are reporting as dead may be subject to hyperbole as well. :snicker:
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The number of people you are reporting as dead may be subject to hyperbole as well. :snicker:
It may be getting time for a new keyboard.

But I don't want to part with this one. The printing is completely gone from the W, A, S, D and V keys, and I consider that a badge of honor.
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...rt_river_index

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"One of the challenges of terrorism is to understand that a handful of people who don't mind dying can kill a lot of people."

That's true.

By the same token, a handful of people who aren't terribly squeamish about collateral damage can pretty much eliminate any threat to themselves. It might take a generation or so, but if you cut off the head then the body will eventually die.


There was a time, not so long ago, when if you wanted to degrade the enemy's capacity to make war, you pretty much just reduced their entire homeland to rubble. Schools, hospitals, power plants, munitions factories... They all look the same to an inertial-navigation system.
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Old 11-16-2015, 04:11 PM   #5572
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Low number, considering there is 50k Arab-Americans in Dearborn alone.
Considering the fact that several hundred Americans have flown to Syria to fight alongside ISIS, I would say it seems low indeed.

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Something about a loosely-organized band of blackhat hackers formally declaring war upon an organization tickles my sense of nostalgia for the great hacker wars of the 1980s (MOD v. LOD, etc.)
I don't understand why someone (or organization) with the capacity to wage an effective cyber-war would piddle around with temporarily shutting down Craigslist instead of embarrassing jihadists.
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"One ofthe challenges of terrorism is to understand that a handful of people who don't mind dying can kill a lot of people."

That's true.

By the same token, a handful of people who aren't terribly squeamish about collateral damage can pretty much eliminate any threat to themselves. It might take a generation or so, but if you cut off the head then the body will eventually die.
As someone who has fought these *******, I have to disagree to an extent.
This enemy is a hydra with nearly infinite heads.
You cant defeat an idealism in the same way you can beat a standing army or a guerilla group.
There will always be radicals who want to kill.
That being said, killing people at the top levels does tend to reduce the severity and frequency of attacks.
Israel has had good results in reducing rocket attacks by blowing up leadership in Palestine.
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Saw this on bookface.
I guess only half the state is refusing refugees.
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I am surprised to see Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan especially in agreement.
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Saw this on bookface.
I guess only half the state is refusing refugees.








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As someone who has fought these *******, I have to disagree to an extent.
This enemy is a hydra with nearly infinite heads.
You cant defeat an idealism in the same way you can beat a standing army or a guerilla group.
There will always be radicals who want to kill.
That being said, killing people at the top levels does tend to reduce the severity and frequency of attacks.
Israel has had good results in reducing rocket attacks by blowing up leadership in Palestine.
I totally get what you're saying, and I understand the problem. Waging war in the 21st century against non-state belligerents is not the same as waging war in the 20th century against Germany and Japan, or even against North Korea or North Vietnam. One of the most poignant observations to come out of both WW1 and WW2 was that, in both cases, many generals were criticized for trying to fight the previous war. (eg: ignoring the use of armor and aircraft in favor of cavalry in WW1, ignoring the carrier in favor of battleships in WW2, etc.)


I'm taking a somewhat more pragmatic view, and suggesting that if you wish to annihilate an ideology, you must annihilate the entire people which uphold it, regardless of how many innocents are caught in the crossfire.


Now, history has shown this theory to yield mixed results, though they have been generally positive.

On the one hand, people have been trying to exterminate the Jewish state pretty much since the dawn of time, and yet not only does Judaism still exist, they have nuclear weapons now.

However, I can think of many more counter-examples. How many people still worship Zeus, Jupiter, Ba'al or Ra these days? How many countries still have Latin or Etruscan as their native language? When was the last time you saw a Viking or a Goth? Know any Spartan-Americans or Mayan-Americans?

The various seats of authority in the Islamic world remain relatively concentrated within a small geographical area, with only dependent, minority offshoots existing in outer regions. I'm not specifically advocating mass-genocide per se, or even claiming that any but a small minority of the self-proclaimed Islamic faithful condone the use of violence as a means of, well, whatever a few certain ******** are trying to accomplish. (For certain, a hell of a lot of people have been killed in the name of Christianity / Catholicism over the years...) I'm just making the pragmatic observation that we (the US, Russia, France, Israel, the UK, and other concerned parties) do have a hell of a lot of thermonuclear weapons gathering dust in the corner.
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I am surprised to see Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan especially in agreement.
Really?

Most midwesterners I know are more xenophobic than Texans. Indiana is like Mississippi, only with literacy.
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Really?

Most midwesterners I know are more xenophobic than Texans. Indiana is like Mississippi, only with literacy.
Oh gosh, you betcha.
Indiana I can totally see, but Illinois has a huge liberal population, and Michigan has the highest concentration of Muslims in the US.
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Also; in spite of recent idiotic events that have put us in the national spotlight, I would describe Indiana as a purple state.
It definitely is not homogenous though.
We have the edge of Appalachia at one end and Detroit and Chicago at the other.
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Oh gosh, you betcha.
Indiana I can totally see, but Illinois has a huge liberal population, and Michigan has the highest concentration of Muslims in the US.
It's weird to drive down some streets and see only Arabic written over everything. A lot of stuff has both English and Arabic though.



Still baffles my mind how this can **** people off. I've never met a rude Muslim. In fact, they are always welcome whitey(me and party) into their businesses with open arms. I quite frequently find myself in and around Dearborn. I find it much safer than downtown Detroit.
I did spend a year at Miller elementary(in Dearborn) as a child and they WERE teaching the class in Arabic. I had to be pulled from the school.
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still looking for a plan...

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"What I do not do is take actions either because it is going to work politically or it is going to somehow in the abstract make America look tough, or make me look tough," he added. "Folks want to pop off and have opinions about what they think they would do—present a specific plan."
Nov 16 2015.



If he had only closed Gitmo. ******* Republicans could have prevented this.
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