Obama vs Civil Liberies - backlash
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Where is this in the mass media? He underestimated the general intelligence of this nation and our disdain for statism outside of "the little square states" or south of the Mason Dixon (the Red River).
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I don't know why so many people continue to believe that ANY candidate vetted by the mass media is anything but a puppet of the power elite.
Remember how Obama went from zero to hero aka "top tier" in days? The media ANOINT the Establishment-acceptable candidates.
P.S. blaen99: yes I did. My congressworm btw is as bad as they come wrt being pro welfare/warfare/big gov.
Remember how Obama went from zero to hero aka "top tier" in days? The media ANOINT the Establishment-acceptable candidates.
P.S. blaen99: yes I did. My congressworm btw is as bad as they come wrt being pro welfare/warfare/big gov.
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every write-in/third party vote is pretty much a lost republican vote, and thus a vote for obama; this you must understand. If you seriously dont want him to be pres, you need to either not vote or vote for the republican nomination.
This is why G HW Bush lost his reelection.
This is why G HW Bush lost his reelection.
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every write-in/third party vote is pretty much a lost republican vote, and thus a vote for obama; this you must understand. If you seriously dont want him to be pres, you need to either not vote or vote for the republican nomination.
This is why G HW Bush lost his reelection.
This is why G HW Bush lost his reelection.
As for the HW Bush elections specifically....
Even tho ALL the evidence shows that without Ross Perot, Clinton would have certainly humiliated both George Bush Sr. AND Bob Dole worse than he did. I mean from polling right after Ross Perot dropped out(before reentry) in July '92 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...prod=permalink showing Clinton LEADING WITH A MAJORITY the fact that throughout the campaign, in September '92, Clinton was still leading before Perot's reentry with far over 50 percent http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...prod=permalink as Bush polled exactly what he got in the general. and when Perot came back in October '92, polls showed Perot taking more from CLINTON http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/19921026.pdf See Bush polled in the polls with and without Perot exactly the same percent of the vote he actually got that year. So why does the myth still persist?
This myth is related to each of the others, and is usually followed closely by one of the other myths by way of explanation. "You're wasting your vote because... (fill in blank with one of the other myths)."
But how can voting for the candidate you most closely identify with be a wasted vote? Isn't compromising your beliefs on important issues really the wasted vote? Isn't settling for second best, or the lesser of two evils really the wasted vote?
The point of having a representative democracy is for each citizen to be able to effect the future of their community. Elections are the main mechanism for "we the people" to tell our representatives how we feel.
It is vitally important that when we make that statement, it is accurate. Sending the wrong message by compromising your vote lessens your ability to influence the direction of public policy.
Again, I ask you, which is the wasted vote - A vote for a major party candidate you despise because you despise the other guy a little bit more - or - A vote for a candidate who says what you'd say if you were running for office?
But how can voting for the candidate you most closely identify with be a wasted vote? Isn't compromising your beliefs on important issues really the wasted vote? Isn't settling for second best, or the lesser of two evils really the wasted vote?
The point of having a representative democracy is for each citizen to be able to effect the future of their community. Elections are the main mechanism for "we the people" to tell our representatives how we feel.
It is vitally important that when we make that statement, it is accurate. Sending the wrong message by compromising your vote lessens your ability to influence the direction of public policy.
Again, I ask you, which is the wasted vote - A vote for a major party candidate you despise because you despise the other guy a little bit more - or - A vote for a candidate who says what you'd say if you were running for office?
Many of us who have voted for "third" party candidates have been unfairly blamed for electing the candidate we would least like to see in office.
The [il]logic goes like this: "If you vote Green, you're taking votes away from the Democrat, and helping the Republican win. If you vote Libertarian, you're taking votes away from the Republican and helping the Democrat."
If you assume that my "third" party vote is taking away from the Democrats or Republicans, you're assuming that those two parties somehow have a right to my vote. They do not.
My "third" party vote does not come from either major party, it comes from me. If it takes away from any statistic, it's the number of potential voters who've given up on elections because they never feel represented.
This is part of the whole "lesser of two evils" syndrome from which America suffers. It is closely related the myth of apathy, and is used to discourage people from voicing their true opinions.
Anything that discourages citizens from voicing their opinions, or voting their conscience, is a threat to free speech, and a threat to democracy.
More parties means that a wider variety of viewpoints is represented in an election. With more viewpoints represented we'll increase the number of potential voters who actually show up to vote. A vote for a "third" party candidate is not a vote for "the wrong" major party candidate. It is what it is: A vote for a "third" party candidate.
The [il]logic goes like this: "If you vote Green, you're taking votes away from the Democrat, and helping the Republican win. If you vote Libertarian, you're taking votes away from the Republican and helping the Democrat."
If you assume that my "third" party vote is taking away from the Democrats or Republicans, you're assuming that those two parties somehow have a right to my vote. They do not.
My "third" party vote does not come from either major party, it comes from me. If it takes away from any statistic, it's the number of potential voters who've given up on elections because they never feel represented.
This is part of the whole "lesser of two evils" syndrome from which America suffers. It is closely related the myth of apathy, and is used to discourage people from voicing their true opinions.
Anything that discourages citizens from voicing their opinions, or voting their conscience, is a threat to free speech, and a threat to democracy.
More parties means that a wider variety of viewpoints is represented in an election. With more viewpoints represented we'll increase the number of potential voters who actually show up to vote. A vote for a "third" party candidate is not a vote for "the wrong" major party candidate. It is what it is: A vote for a "third" party candidate.
Last edited by blaen99; 12-21-2011 at 01:51 AM.
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We can have horrible legislation passed night and day, but people will get the scoop on some out-of-context quote because thats what gets them tuning in and sells add revenue.
It beats gov run media, but it definitely has its issues.
#13
Oh so you don't think it's possible for media corporations' editors in chief to have certain general "editorial guidelines" put forth by the owners, despite having to remain competitive and make money? You don't think it's possible for business organizations to have making money as the primary purpose, but have the owners also have some say in dictating a couple of items be "off limits"?
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Do you know how John McCain got to the top of the Republican ballot last cycle? He was trailing in the polls and in the other states' primaries up until the Florida primary. Hillary and Obama mysteriously weren't both on the primary ballot in Florida due to a "problem" that was manufactured by the Democrat Party. The Democrat voters then had only one choice to vote for in their primary so their votes weren't necessary. So a large number of Democrat Party voters switched their affiliation to Republican (a record number of persons switched to Republican affiliation just before the primary) for the election so they could pick the easiest Republican to beat. After winning the Florida primary in a surprise landslide, McCain was suddenly the front runner for the Republicans and remained there.
Shenanigans? Not in politics.
Last edited by sixshooter; 12-26-2011 at 10:56 PM.
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