Legal_go_kart

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Ok everybody fire up the barbeque... You're gonna have a noob roast.

I have three A.R. 60 M11 T3 turbos laying around. Back in high school and college i was big into xr4ti's. I still have several of them. At any rate because of this, i have several turbos hanging around.

My question is, how well do these adapt to the miata? I have MSPNP, AEM wideband, RC 550 injectors, i'll be fabbing a FMIC, log manifold etc... Unfortunately i have no aditional specs on these. I'm on the horn at the XR4Ti forum. But they're a little pokey around there.

I also have am AiResearch turbo from a later XR4Ti... Not sure if there is a Big difference there.

Let the roast begin...

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I should also mention that i'm looking to achieve between 200 and 225 rwhp. I'm looking for streetable and track/autoX occasionally. Not looking for huge power here...

Savington

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Find an SR20 T25 or you'll be reinventing the wheel with everything else.

The classic noob mistake is to attempt to build a kit around a turbo - the turbo is a tiny part of the kit, and if you build around weird ----, you'll be using weird ---- forever.

Legal_go_kart

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This is fair enough. Was just curious if it would since i have a stack of em.

Techsalvager

pics of turbos is it just a standard t3 60 trim turbo?

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Sorry, can't get any pics as all the turbos are at my fathers house 150 miles away. They are indeed 60 trim turbos. They have ar 60 compressor side and came with either a .48 or a .63 exaust housing pretty much at random, so not sure what i have as far as the exhaust side is concerned until i actually get up there myself.

These won't work though, eh?

Techsalvager

I run a t3 60 trim with a .48 ar turbine housing, it will work fine.
I've have full boost around 3500rpm or less depending on gear\load

Legal_go_kart

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Well looking at the turbo the compressor side is far larger than the exhaust turbine side... So it should be safe to assume that it isn't a .63 exhaust and is indeed a .48, correct?

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Also, there's a garrett t25 on craigslist by me. The guy doesn't seem to know jack squat about it, but he said it was refurbished (it definately looks shiny and new.) I'll post pics up in a bit. But from what I can see it has a .48 compressor and a .49 turbine side.

Any idea what this could be?

18psi

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a teeny tiny little t25 that will top out at 200

Legal_go_kart

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That's what i was thinking. But then wouldn't a 60 trim T3 0.48 exhaust and 0.60 compressor be just fine?

curly

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Get the T25, sell the others. I like modular setups, where you can swap out turbos for others, and even bigger ones. Beyond the compressor flanges, the SR20 T25 fits perfectly for this. I just upgraded to one and I have no idea why I haven't done it earlier, spools crazy fast and still easily makes your power goals.

Want more power? Swap in another T25 turbo, there are many.

For your proposed setup, you'd have to change your manifold, downpipe, oil feed, oil drain, water lines, heat shielding, hotside intercooler pipes, PLUS the turbo.

See the issue? If you're set on doing it, go for it, but there's your huge "pro" for using a T25.

Techsalvager

yes plus its t3 flanged so upgrade options are just as good
I don't what everyone is bitching at.

Legal_go_kart

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Here are a couple shots that the dude sent me of that T25. It doesn't seem to have a standard T25 exhaust flange... I'm sure it was out of a saab or some ----...


PART951337219966107 by riponfrosh, on Flickr


PART951337219966048 by riponfrosh, on Flickr

Techsalvager

get a pic of it further out

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Another shot of the Craigslist T25...


PART951337219965802 by riponfrosh, on Flickr

thirdgen

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Stay away from that turbo...it'll make like 10 psi at 3,000 rpms, but will bleed boost off over 5,000.

thirdgen

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I had a .48/.49 turbo a while back, and it sucked royally. Run away from it.
I just saw an sr20 t25 in the classifieds. Buy that and don't look back.

Savington

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T25 upgrade options in reasonable sizes are far more numerous than T3 flanged turbo upgrades. In a standard SR20-style T25 flange, you can get everything from a 2554R to a 3071R, but with a T3 you're trapped to oddball OEM stuff and used journal bearing turbos.

FYI, I had a Garrett .48/.49 T25 from some 90s turbo Pontiac. Most of the .49a/r T25s are from odd stuff, but the Pontiac turbo I had was a standard 5-bolt outlet. That was an awesome street turbo, and I made 200whp at 13psi with full boost at ~3000rpm. I don't regret upgrading to the .64a/r 2554R a couple of months later, but the .49 feels like the kind of turbo an OEM would select for this engine.

thirdgen

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I had the same turbo. It came from and early 80's Pontiac sunbird.
I hated it. 13psi to make 200whp? That's a joke.