How not to make your own Downpipe.
11-27-2006, 10:05 PM
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How not to make your own Downpipe.
So today I took my downpipe off to weld in a bung for my AEM Wideband. I had no idea how crappy it is. First of all the bends suck, they aren't welded very well though and look like crap. The final bend is crush bent, making my 2.5" DP more like 1.5" so my entire exhaust system is bottlenecked at that point. To top the cake my external wastegate system is also complete crap. I'll post some more pictures of that after a bit when I take them. I also spent 5 minutes today drilling a hole in the pipe and welding the bung in it. I didn't care what the weld looked like so don't let that be a example of my welding ability.
Again:
HOW NOT TO BUILD YOUR DOWNPIPE!
Again:
HOW NOT TO BUILD YOUR DOWNPIPE!
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11-27-2006, 10:21 PM
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The rest of my exhuast system looks good, all 2.5" going back after that flange. That is definitely the bottleneck of the system for sure. That's what I get for buying a car with the DIY turbo setup already on it. Always better to do it right yourself.
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11-27-2006, 10:21 PM
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WOW!
That has to be the fugliest D/P ive seen! I hope you didnt make that..If you did then think of it as a learning experience!! that thing will be killing so much power from your system. I bet when you get a proper 2.5"DP youll spool at least 300 rpm earlier and make 10-15 more RWHP without any other changes!
Have a look at the bottom of page 6 on my Cardomain site for a real DP!
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/264041/6
That has to be the fugliest D/P ive seen! I hope you didnt make that..If you did then think of it as a learning experience!! that thing will be killing so much power from your system. I bet when you get a proper 2.5"DP youll spool at least 300 rpm earlier and make 10-15 more RWHP without any other changes!
Have a look at the bottom of page 6 on my Cardomain site for a real DP!
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/264041/6
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11-27-2006, 10:25 PM
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Yeah i definitely didn't make that downpipe. The sad thing is the guy i bought the car from in Kentucky had the entire kit put together by a performance shop. They must have been smoking rocks to think they were building a good product. Mine would look far better. I might end up rolling out my own product early '07 we'll see.
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11-28-2006, 01:02 AM
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that looks pretty bad, you'll pick up some power if you get a nicer downpipe 3" would be nice.
Check out my old vs. new downpipe, that sure made a huge difference in spoolup/response/power on my car.
Check out my old vs. new downpipe, that sure made a huge difference in spoolup/response/power on my car.
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11-28-2006, 09:12 AM
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cjernigan, what's up with the wastegate port, it looks like it comes back around the front?
ohhh, wait, were you the dude who bought that used kit off ebay? So your external wastegate was actually a port off the exhaust, not the manifold?
ohhh, wait, were you the dude who bought that used kit off ebay? So your external wastegate was actually a port off the exhaust, not the manifold?
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11-28-2006, 10:30 AM
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I'm still sticking with more heat stays inside the stainless tubes and does not get passed into the surrounding air. Mild steel tubes will give off heat rather then insulatling it. It's exactly why SS downpies do better for underhood temps then MS, and why you need to get them thermal coated.
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11-28-2006, 11:28 AM
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matweb says otherwise (16.2 W/m-K vs. 24.9 W/m-K). A mild steel like 1018 is 51.9 W/m-K, chrome-moly 4130 is 42.7. As a reference, 6061-T6 aluminum is 167!
Generally speaking, stainless steels conduct less heat but expand more than mild steels. I think this expansion problem is why you don't want to ceramic coat stainless pipes.
Generally speaking, stainless steels conduct less heat but expand more than mild steels. I think this expansion problem is why you don't want to ceramic coat stainless pipes.
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