A question about my odd BOV
10-31-2007, 10:47 PM
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A question about my odd BOV
As you guys rember, my turbo has a BOV on it. Now I think the spring in it is too stiff, and heres why:
When I am flooring it and over 6k RPM, then I let off, it works just like a blow off valve should
Anything less than flooring it and over 6k rpm, I get compressor surge.
So am I correct in assumeing its the spring? How do you think I should go about fixing this? Does it need to be fixed (aka is compressor surge ok at lower boost levels, as long as the BOV works at over 5 psi of boost?)
Rember, the turbo with the BOV is off a merc 2.2L diesel engine.
When I am flooring it and over 6k RPM, then I let off, it works just like a blow off valve should
Anything less than flooring it and over 6k rpm, I get compressor surge.
So am I correct in assumeing its the spring? How do you think I should go about fixing this? Does it need to be fixed (aka is compressor surge ok at lower boost levels, as long as the BOV works at over 5 psi of boost?)
Rember, the turbo with the BOV is off a merc 2.2L diesel engine.
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10-31-2007, 10:49 PM
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I would take the spring out and get some measurements on it. Then hunt mcmaster for a similar spring. I bet you can source one pretty easily. There isn't really an easy adjustment you can do to the spring to make it lighter.
Also, where are you getting your BOV signal from? Should be the intake manifold obviously, where on the intake manifold? You might just need to install a bigger 1/8" NPT fitting and run a larger 3/8" vac line to it.
Also, where are you getting your BOV signal from? Should be the intake manifold obviously, where on the intake manifold? You might just need to install a bigger 1/8" NPT fitting and run a larger 3/8" vac line to it.
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10-31-2007, 10:56 PM
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The turbo has a vac/boost feed nipple (atleast 3/8 inch size) on the compressor houseing. I have a line comeing from that, splitting into the wastegate, BOV, and boost gauge/bipes. I am using the right size line for the connector on the BOV, so I should be good.
I think its surge, but is there a way to tell the difference? When I let off, the boost gauge does go up and down alot (fluctuate) when I get the sound (hard to explain, its like the gauge spazes while it reduces in boost). The turbo makes a chugging ish like sound. Ill take a video tommorow.
I think its surge, but is there a way to tell the difference? When I let off, the boost gauge does go up and down alot (fluctuate) when I get the sound (hard to explain, its like the gauge spazes while it reduces in boost). The turbo makes a chugging ish like sound. Ill take a video tommorow.
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10-31-2007, 10:57 PM
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cut a coil off the spring and try again.
I ended up cutting probably 5 coils off my BOV's spring, and then adding a second, short and stiff spring inside of it. Works pretty good.
I ended up cutting probably 5 coils off my BOV's spring, and then adding a second, short and stiff spring inside of it. Works pretty good.
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11-01-2007, 04:59 PM
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I took 2 coils off, works better but im still getting surge. Here is a vid so you guys can decide.. I tryed my best when takeing it lol.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...d90114218f.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...d90114218f.htm
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11-01-2007, 05:11 PM
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Couldn't hear it at all, and my computer audio system consists of a surround receiver and a pretty decent sub/sat speaker package.
I wouldn't be concerned with surge from 5 psi hurting the turbo.
I wouldn't be concerned with surge from 5 psi hurting the turbo.
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11-01-2007, 06:54 PM
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Try using a dedicated vac line for your BOV rather than tee'd off other stuff.
Actually, thinking about it, the vac source for you BOV should be from the intake manifold AFTER the throttle body not off the turbo. Think about it, during boost with the throttle plate open, both side of the BOV diaphram are pressurized so the spring keeps the BOV closed. When you let off the gas, the throttle plate closes and you have vacuum on the IM vac lines (which should be attached to your BOV) and pressure between the turbo and IM acting on the other side of the BOV. So you have vac on one side of the diaphram and pressure on the other so it opens.
Actually, thinking about it, the vac source for you BOV should be from the intake manifold AFTER the throttle body not off the turbo. Think about it, during boost with the throttle plate open, both side of the BOV diaphram are pressurized so the spring keeps the BOV closed. When you let off the gas, the throttle plate closes and you have vacuum on the IM vac lines (which should be attached to your BOV) and pressure between the turbo and IM acting on the other side of the BOV. So you have vac on one side of the diaphram and pressure on the other so it opens.
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11-01-2007, 09:21 PM
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Brg is correct, that's why i asked where you had the signal coming from earlier in the thread. You won't see hardly any vacuum at all when you let off the throttle. You want line coming form the intake manifold to get maximum vacuum to snap your BOV soon as you let off the throttle. Only your wastegate should receive signal from the compressor. If you hook your boost gauge up to your intake manifold you'll see exactly how much boost you're seeing after the loss from the intercooler. Well actually you'll see how much boost you're running relative to how accurate your gauge is.
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11-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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I was wondering why nobody noticed it as I was going through it just now. Get your BOV and Boost/Vac gauge signal from the manifold (after the throttle plate of course) and I bet it will work like a champ.
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11-01-2007, 10:36 PM
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lol, thanks a ton guys. Now, would the two nipples on the throttle body be considered after the throttle plate? If not, where else should I get the signal from?
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