Picking up HKS top mount w/t25 and lines for $300!
03-09-2015, 08:31 PM
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lol
no worries, I just rather see people running quality units and leaving the building to the pro's or only attempting it if they're comfy with wiring and boards and all that other mumbo jumbo. I personally suck at it, and gladly pay for the pro's to build me one.
back to topic tho: OP, your awesome sauce ms3 isn't gonna stop you from doing stupid things. It's not a self-aware robot. I'm hoping the future MS4 will have a feature that electrocutes the owner when they try to run it on a crappy setup assuming a baller ecu will solve all their problems and poor choices
ms-pro = good choice
not running intercooler = silly choice
no worries, I just rather see people running quality units and leaving the building to the pro's or only attempting it if they're comfy with wiring and boards and all that other mumbo jumbo. I personally suck at it, and gladly pay for the pro's to build me one.
back to topic tho: OP, your awesome sauce ms3 isn't gonna stop you from doing stupid things. It's not a self-aware robot. I'm hoping the future MS4 will have a feature that electrocutes the owner when they try to run it on a crappy setup assuming a baller ecu will solve all their problems and poor choices
ms-pro = good choice
not running intercooler = silly choice
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03-09-2015, 08:42 PM
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He made it clear in the beginning he wanted to do this build as cheap as possible. Skipping out on an intercooler and injectors but buying the best of the best ECU is stupid. Is buying an MSpnp-Pro stupid? No not at all. But doing it at the cost of injectors and an intercooler?
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03-09-2015, 08:57 PM
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meh, it was directed at anyone that tells someone not to buy an assembled unit when they haven't built one themselves.
buying best ecu is not stupid even in that case, thinking the best ecu is gonna fix other stupid decisions is what's stupid.
you know what I mean, and I know what you mean, so it's all good.
let's all make out now.
He made it clear in the beginning he wanted to do this build as cheap as possible. Skipping out on an intercooler and injectors but buying the best of the best ECU is stupid. Is buying an MSpnp-Pro stupid? No not at all. But doing it at the cost of injectors and an intercooler?
you know what I mean, and I know what you mean, so it's all good.
let's all make out now.
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03-10-2015, 03:18 PM
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FWIW, Aidan did build his, but he has a high tolerance for experimenting, and is smarter than the average dope in terms of figuring out electrical bits. Recommending to everyone that they build their own MS and quoting prices really is only valid if someone does not place a value on their time.
For folks that DO place a value on their time, and the benefit of a guarantee and customer service and stuff, it's well worth the money of buying a nice, new, professionally-assembled one.
Hinano, an MS2e would have fit your needs, but at this point you have the Pro so you might as well run it. By the time you sell it and ship it you've eaten up half the difference and it's not worth it. The first part of your plan is sound -- put the MS on NA and tune it over the summer.
It's the second part that needs work. While you're putting it together, get some injectors and a cheap intercooler setup, like the one Deezums found. There's info about it in his thread.
You also don't need to buy expensive injectors. Here's some more info on PNP injectors:
Fuel Injectors - Miata Turbo FAQ
Do you have anyone nearby who can help you with the MS? Focus on that, as you plan to, NA, then worry about the injectors and intercooler later. You'll come around.
For folks that DO place a value on their time, and the benefit of a guarantee and customer service and stuff, it's well worth the money of buying a nice, new, professionally-assembled one.
Hinano, an MS2e would have fit your needs, but at this point you have the Pro so you might as well run it. By the time you sell it and ship it you've eaten up half the difference and it's not worth it. The first part of your plan is sound -- put the MS on NA and tune it over the summer.
It's the second part that needs work. While you're putting it together, get some injectors and a cheap intercooler setup, like the one Deezums found. There's info about it in his thread.
You also don't need to buy expensive injectors. Here's some more info on PNP injectors:
Fuel Injectors - Miata Turbo FAQ
Do you have anyone nearby who can help you with the MS? Focus on that, as you plan to, NA, then worry about the injectors and intercooler later. You'll come around.
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03-10-2015, 04:29 PM
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Not sure. Like 20-30 bucks. I know you found the ebay one for 60 bucks but theres also shipping to Hawaii that I have to consider but also, although I removed the ac, I am running a stock but good condition radiator so I don't want to block off the whole radiator with a long intercooler. I think the Audi one is a perfect fit. I'm open to input though.I think I'll try to put together a 4-ply house set up if it's not too pricy.
Well thanks for the words of encouragement. If I do have to take a loss over $100, I'll just keep it. Regardless, I'll keep collecting turbo parts and I don't know, if I don't get any inquiries on the MSP I might as well just run it. I'll start looking for cheap oem injectors, thanks.
FWIW, Aidan did build his, but he has a high tolerance for experimenting, and is smarter than the average dope in terms of figuring out electrical bits. Recommending to everyone that they build their own MS and quoting prices really is only valid if someone does not place a value on their time.
For folks that DO place a value on their time, and the benefit of a guarantee and customer service and stuff, it's well worth the money of buying a nice, new, professionally-assembled one.
Hinano, an MS2e would have fit your needs, but at this point you have the Pro so you might as well run it. By the time you sell it and ship it you've eaten up half the difference and it's not worth it. The first part of your plan is sound -- put the MS on NA and tune it over the summer.
It's the second part that needs work. While you're putting it together, get some injectors and a cheap intercooler setup, like the one Deezums found. There's info about it in his thread.
You also don't need to buy expensive injectors. Here's some more info on PNP injectors:
Fuel Injectors - Miata Turbo FAQ
Do you have anyone nearby who can help you with the MS? Focus on that, as you plan to, NA, then worry about the injectors and intercooler later. You'll come around.
For folks that DO place a value on their time, and the benefit of a guarantee and customer service and stuff, it's well worth the money of buying a nice, new, professionally-assembled one.
Hinano, an MS2e would have fit your needs, but at this point you have the Pro so you might as well run it. By the time you sell it and ship it you've eaten up half the difference and it's not worth it. The first part of your plan is sound -- put the MS on NA and tune it over the summer.
It's the second part that needs work. While you're putting it together, get some injectors and a cheap intercooler setup, like the one Deezums found. There's info about it in his thread.
You also don't need to buy expensive injectors. Here's some more info on PNP injectors:
Fuel Injectors - Miata Turbo FAQ
Do you have anyone nearby who can help you with the MS? Focus on that, as you plan to, NA, then worry about the injectors and intercooler later. You'll come around.
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03-10-2015, 04:36 PM
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Not sure. Like 20-30 bucks. I know you found the ebay one for 60 bucks but theres also shipping to Hawaii that I have to consider but also, although I removed the ac, I am running a stock but good condition radiator so I don't want to block off the whole radiator with a long intercooler. I think the Audi one is a perfect fit. I'm open to input though.
Well thanks for the words of encouragement. If I do have to take a loss over $100, I'll just keep it. Regardless, I'll keep collecting turbo parts and I don't know, if I don't get any inquiries on the MSP I might as well just run it.
Well thanks for the words of encouragement. If I do have to take a loss over $100, I'll just keep it. Regardless, I'll keep collecting turbo parts and I don't know, if I don't get any inquiries on the MSP I might as well just run it.
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03-10-2015, 05:51 PM
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Yup. Piggy Doodoo. I am open to feedback..
On a different front, got a question for you guys. So Sturuvo is making a turbo elbow for my top mount set up. Looks great!, pics below. My question is, since I have the RB mid pipe thats 2.4', i asked Sturovo to reduce the elbow to a 2.5'. He told me that if he were making the whole down pipe, that he would put the reducer further down the exhaust. He is asking if I want a 2.75 reducer added to the elbow or if I want the actual elbow modified to 2.5. I am thinking that maybe if it's already reduced to 2.5 that I can have my friend maybe teach me how to weld a couple relatively straight 2.5' pipes together. Does reducer location affect strength?
On a different front, got a question for you guys. So Sturuvo is making a turbo elbow for my top mount set up. Looks great!, pics below. My question is, since I have the RB mid pipe thats 2.4', i asked Sturovo to reduce the elbow to a 2.5'. He told me that if he were making the whole down pipe, that he would put the reducer further down the exhaust. He is asking if I want a 2.75 reducer added to the elbow or if I want the actual elbow modified to 2.5. I am thinking that maybe if it's already reduced to 2.5 that I can have my friend maybe teach me how to weld a couple relatively straight 2.5' pipes together. Does reducer location affect strength?
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03-10-2015, 05:54 PM
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Feedback? I think this is prime example why between your original choice of 160hp with a turbo, or 140hp n/a, you picked the VERY wrong option, despite EVERYONE telling you it was the wrong option.
I'm unsure how to answer your current question. Do i take the chance that you'll actually take feedback this time? Or should i deliberately answer with the wrong answer so you'll pick the correct one to go against the direction, as you've done every step of the way?
I'm unsure how to answer your current question. Do i take the chance that you'll actually take feedback this time? Or should i deliberately answer with the wrong answer so you'll pick the correct one to go against the direction, as you've done every step of the way?
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03-10-2015, 06:16 PM
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Come on man y u givin me such a hard time :(
The thing is this, I really have no place on this island to use a 200whp Miata. The cost to go from a 160whp stock clutch set up to a 170-200+ setup is very big, for me. I'm a full time student and only get work here and there. I felt like I had a good opportunity when I saw the manifold and turbo for $300 so I jumped on it and I don't regret it. We all make mistakes along the way and maybe I'm not putting in as much research time as some others but I'm doing the best I can while I juggle school and try to jump on deals. I seriously am not looking for upping the boost from the stock 7psi and if I were to change my mind, it would only be in the fall when I start working and at that time; I'll have more money to do a lot more than I am currently able to afford. So as of right now, I'm just trying to do a basic but reliable setup with a goal of yes, a measly 160whp. Anything more and I'd also have to include new tires so I'm not just spinning at the autocross.
On another note, intercooler is on its way. $20!
Also getting intercooler piping and a fake greddy bov for $25! Lol! Flame suit on! But really, I'm not expecting the bov to work right but I'd like to Take it apart for fun and will pressure test it because I've never had one and maybe if I'm lucky it will function
if neither work, I'll pony up for better quality parts. All in fun yea
The thing is this, I really have no place on this island to use a 200whp Miata. The cost to go from a 160whp stock clutch set up to a 170-200+ setup is very big, for me. I'm a full time student and only get work here and there. I felt like I had a good opportunity when I saw the manifold and turbo for $300 so I jumped on it and I don't regret it. We all make mistakes along the way and maybe I'm not putting in as much research time as some others but I'm doing the best I can while I juggle school and try to jump on deals. I seriously am not looking for upping the boost from the stock 7psi and if I were to change my mind, it would only be in the fall when I start working and at that time; I'll have more money to do a lot more than I am currently able to afford. So as of right now, I'm just trying to do a basic but reliable setup with a goal of yes, a measly 160whp. Anything more and I'd also have to include new tires so I'm not just spinning at the autocross.
On another note, intercooler is on its way. $20!
Also getting intercooler piping and a fake greddy bov for $25! Lol! Flame suit on! But really, I'm not expecting the bov to work right but I'd like to Take it apart for fun and will pressure test it because I've never had one and maybe if I'm lucky it will function
if neither work, I'll pony up for better quality parts. All in fun yea
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03-10-2015, 06:49 PM
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Doesn't have much money, buys fake blow off valve to see if it works. I'm so f ing confused.
Sell that turbo, and stick to NA. Get a real header,exhaust, (can he run a exhintake on a vvt motor?) A 3D printed intake (because you like wierd stuff) and some suspension. No e bay crap.
Enjoy cheap autocross in a really fun car.
Sell that turbo, and stick to NA. Get a real header,exhaust, (can he run a exhintake on a vvt motor?) A 3D printed intake (because you like wierd stuff) and some suspension. No e bay crap.
Enjoy cheap autocross in a really fun car.
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03-10-2015, 07:10 PM
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Doesn't have much money, buys fake blow off valve to see if it works. I'm so f ing confused.
Sell that turbo, and stick to NA. Get a real header,exhaust, (can he run a exhintake on a vvt motor?) A 3D printed intake (because you like wierd stuff) and some suspension. No e bay crap.
Enjoy cheap autocross in a really fun car.
Sell that turbo, and stick to NA. Get a real header,exhaust, (can he run a exhintake on a vvt motor?) A 3D printed intake (because you like wierd stuff) and some suspension. No e bay crap.
Enjoy cheap autocross in a really fun car.
Yes I'm on a tight budget and yes, i am rolling the dice with these used parts BUT, at $45, I think it's worth it. Reason being, the lower end intercooler stuff would cost from a couple hundred and then the "quality" stuff would be double that so $50 on taking a change and having some parts to play with is worth it in my opinion. It's the first time I've looked at parts like this and it makes a difference to me to be able to handle it rather than just looking at pictures.
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