RB20DET Injectors
01-19-2007, 07:07 AM
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10ohm might be high impedance compared to, say, 1ohm, but the Miata/RX-7 high-impedance injectors are typically 13-15ohms, I believe. Not an electrical expert, so I don't know if that's enough to cause a problem, but it sure sounds like a decent ohms spread.
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01-19-2007, 09:30 AM
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Have you seen more than one set of NA 1.8 injectors flow past 235cc? Everything I've read has said that they are 235cc, I know Ben had a set that flowed 265cc, but is this the only case?
the EMB is supposed to control 50% more injector. On a 94 this would mean the ability to control nearly a 400cc injector, which seems a little on the high side.
the EMB is supposed to control 50% more injector. On a 94 this would mean the ability to control nearly a 400cc injector, which seems a little on the high side.
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01-19-2007, 09:35 AM
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Yes 3 accounts.
Ben
FM (multiple tests, supposely)
& Here's Bruce's (Olderguy) : http://www.cruzinperformance.com/inj...=607171-607174
Even Witchhunter.com rates them at, at least 255cc:
All the math adds up as well:
Magnamx-5 was idling 440cc injectors with a AFC on a 1.6, I'm sure the EMB could handle 400cc injectors on a 1.8, has anyone tried?
Ben
FM (multiple tests, supposely)
& Here's Bruce's (Olderguy) : http://www.cruzinperformance.com/inj...=607171-607174
Even Witchhunter.com rates them at, at least 255cc:
All the math adds up as well:
265cc @ 50psi = 285cc
285 x .50 x .80 = 115BHP = 107RWHP (anything smaller would barely support the stock power.)
You're falling victim of M.net Tom-Foolery.285 x .50 x .80 = 115BHP = 107RWHP (anything smaller would barely support the stock power.)
Magnamx-5 was idling 440cc injectors with a AFC on a 1.6, I'm sure the EMB could handle 400cc injectors on a 1.8, has anyone tried?
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01-19-2007, 11:13 AM
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I'm not falling for anything, I don't blindly accept what anyone says ... that's why I asked the question. I just can't see why Mazda would put in an injector with that much headroom, when it really wasn't needed.
NA car doesn't use .55, more like .45, so your math does not support this logic. 205cc@50psi will support about 145-150hp. Or about 125whp. When I dynoed my car NA with no changes besides intake and exhaust I made about 100whp, and was running very rich.
I can't argue with the results that Ben and Bruce got though. Anyone ever flow test 1.6 injectors?
NA car doesn't use .55, more like .45, so your math does not support this logic. 205cc@50psi will support about 145-150hp. Or about 125whp. When I dynoed my car NA with no changes besides intake and exhaust I made about 100whp, and was running very rich.
I can't argue with the results that Ben and Bruce got though. Anyone ever flow test 1.6 injectors?
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01-19-2007, 12:37 PM
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search m.net for a post by Jeremy from FM. He posted flow results from all variations of 1.8 injectors. IIRC his 94-97 tan tops flowed 265. Also, IIRC mine flowed 3 x 266 and 1 x 267 cc/min @ 3 bar.
The only dude who has posted the low ratings after an actual flow test was that guy Popstoy, who claims that his flow 235 @ 4 bar. Which I showed to him was impossible, but whatever....
I think the "common knowledge" injector ratings are at idle fuel pressure. The math works out.
Ben
The only dude who has posted the low ratings after an actual flow test was that guy Popstoy, who claims that his flow 235 @ 4 bar. Which I showed to him was impossible, but whatever....
I think the "common knowledge" injector ratings are at idle fuel pressure. The math works out.
Ben
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01-19-2007, 04:39 PM
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Where does that formula come from? It seems a little simple for figuring out how much 4 injectors can handle. I used the widget over at rcengin.com to figure out how much 4 205cc @ 50psi could support.
Unless I'm not following what you are trying to prove I think you missed a step in your math.
Unless I'm not following what you are trying to prove I think you missed a step in your math.
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01-19-2007, 04:58 PM
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ah, you're right I was using CC/Min. not Lbs./Min., my bad.
haha acutally I dunno what I', thinking, that's not even the correct formula.....sigh. whatever.
#edit# somehow I took a crazy diversion of this : Est. Horsepower x B.S.F.C / # of injectors x duty cycle = lb/hr per injector
haha acutally I dunno what I', thinking, that's not even the correct formula.....sigh. whatever.
#edit# somehow I took a crazy diversion of this : Est. Horsepower x B.S.F.C / # of injectors x duty cycle = lb/hr per injector
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01-19-2007, 06:00 PM
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No you used an incorrect formula and put an incorrect value into it. Coincidentally, the answer you received proved some point you were trying to make. But since your work was wrong, it does not matter.
To find out how flow changes with pressure, you take
(square root (the new pressure/the old pressure)) * old flow rate
The idle pressure for an NA is 35psi.
Using my correct formula, tan tops flow ~237 cc/min at idle pressure.
To find out how flow changes with pressure, you take
(square root (the new pressure/the old pressure)) * old flow rate
The idle pressure for an NA is 35psi.
Using my correct formula, tan tops flow ~237 cc/min at idle pressure.
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01-19-2007, 09:40 PM
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Those flow numbers for the RB20DET injectors seem very low, Here in New Zealand we probably have the highest number of R32 skylines and the general accepted flow rates for those injectors is 265-270cc.
Most of the Australian and New Zealand tuners say that the MAX these injectors can support on the 6 cylinder RB20det is 200RWKW, so in a 4 cylinder car youd be looking at a max of around 135-140Rwkw which is about 185 RWHP.
Most of the Australian and New Zealand tuners say that the MAX these injectors can support on the 6 cylinder RB20det is 200RWKW, so in a 4 cylinder car youd be looking at a max of around 135-140Rwkw which is about 185 RWHP.
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