Thoughts on Broke n Boosted? Budget Turbo Series
05-03-2016, 10:00 PM
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All joking aside, I'm not sure where he's coming from with it. I know I **** people off, and usually it's intentional, but I genuinely don't know what I did to **** him off. Maybe I did something and forgot, who knows. I just don't think his vitriol towards me is warranted.
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05-04-2016, 07:08 AM
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I agree with you 100%. This forum is the only one of its kind, and the greatest source of turbo Miata information on the internet. I enjoy and value greatly the *CIVIL* criticism because you guys are the real gurus. My mind is blown every time someone asks me how much something on my 'main' car costs, and they say it's far too expensive. If you can't see the value in an $800 standalone or a $600 roll bar, you might want to re-think your hobby. I had some guy trying to show me that his XXR's were "real XXR's" to prove he could afford 'good' parts. I didn't know whether to laugh or nod my head and cry later. And others that tell me they only have $150 and need to buy a turbo unless they wait until their next paycheck. If you only have $150 in your bank account, a turbo is not what you need to be buying. Anyways I'm going off on a tangent.
TL;DR: There is definitely a line somewhere. Corners can be cut, and this series is proving to be a learning experience for me as well about finding where it is with my own hands. I'm planning on doing a "What I Would Do Differently" video of sorts when the project is finished, but I'll have to beat on it for a while to figure out what I'll include.
TL;DR: There is definitely a line somewhere. Corners can be cut, and this series is proving to be a learning experience for me as well about finding where it is with my own hands. I'm planning on doing a "What I Would Do Differently" video of sorts when the project is finished, but I'll have to beat on it for a while to figure out what I'll include.
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05-04-2016, 06:11 PM
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So for the past few months that I've been on this site it really hits you how rough and ragged this community really is, which in all honesty makes it a lot more unique. Which in a really big way, wads off 95% of the new members because they are too stupid to use a search bar and I get that. From another stand point you can look at the demographics of who is buying Miata's now a days and looking to modify them, in all reality the days of spirited driving enthusiasts who would spend hours researching what coil overs would give them the best performance regardless of the price, are over or on M.net to rephrase. They have now been replaced with people who come here and see "MiataTurbo.net" and think "Wow turbo!!1!!!1" start a thread and say "Heyyyy This iz my yata and it has xxrs and racelands and im wondering if I can Uze this ebay manifold" and then the murderators promptly offer to shipping a gun to end their pathetic life and said OP finds CR. Then people come on here to wonder where is an acceptable place to skimp money wise, and still people will tell them to read more. In all honesty you could disable all accounts and archive this whole site and it would still get just as much traffic because of how established this community is. For those who can see through the flak and collect their **** to build a "budget" turbo set up, like myself, find themselves questioning whether it was better to just cash out and spare no expense. Some times I wish I got MS2PNP or MS3x or even hydra, but my car does start and run everyday to and from school on MS1. So does my Tacoburrito old begi cast ripoff, does it flow as good as a begi or fm cast? No. The point that I'm trying to portray is that there is a fine line between being a critic and an *******, between being a cheapo and a true DIY-er. Will everyone walk that fine line? Hell no. For every acceptable budget turbo setup, there is about 10 more using bipes and an fmu. Is it acceptable for Greg to take his car and try and turbocharge it for $1000 and broadcast it to all the youtube poopheads who own 240k, 20 year old, rust bucket Miata's? Which makes brain and every other senior member cringe and goes against everything they've worked to do? Its a tough call, like finding a kitty wandering about, you don't know the owner but the cat is hungry, tired, and cold. Obviously you take the kitty in but do you try and find the owner? Or adopt it as your own? Is the owner a crazy cat lady who can't afford to properly feed and shelter said kitty? Are they a nice loving family that neglected to tag the kitty? There are 2 sides to every story. Then there is the internet effect, where some guy on here is telling me to buy an 800$ ecu should you listen too him? which I don't even want to get started on the levels of DIY and their correlating cost. I know peace has been established between the 2 parties, I don't want to start anything else.
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05-04-2016, 06:14 PM
#46
I'm sure if you think hard you'll remember all the threads we've crossed paths like this, this time the almighty Savington says a 1.6 can't do 270 on a 2554 even though we've all already seen it. I simply point you to the thread since you can't be bothered to know the subject beforehand and get negative cats from you and some dipshit ricer logic in return. Say you're not mad, I think you were. I sat and watched yours and Ryan's replies while I ate lunch, you two were the only ones in the thread. Is someone else really going to give me negative props for giving you the link you can't be bothered to look for?
And yeah, maybe I am on edge lately but not Aidan related this time!
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05-04-2016, 06:16 PM
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So for the past few months that I've been on this site it really hits you how rough and ragged this community really is, which in all honesty makes it a lot more unique. Which in a really big way, wads off 95% of the new members because they are too stupid to use a search bar and I get that. From another stand point you can look at the demographics of who is buying Miata's now a days and looking to modify them, in all reality the days of spirited driving enthusiasts who would spend hours researching what coil overs would give them the best performance regardless of the price, are over or on M.net to rephrase. They have now been replaced with people who come here and see "MiataTurbo.net" and think "Wow turbo!!1!!!1" start a thread and say "Heyyyy This iz my yata and it has xxrs and racelands and im wondering if I can Uze this ebay manifold" and then the murderators promptly offer to shipping a gun to end their pathetic life and said OP finds CR. Then people come on here to wonder where is an acceptable place to skimp money wise, and still people will tell them to read more. In all honesty you could disable all accounts and archive this whole site and it would still get just as much traffic because of how established this community is. For those who can see through the flak and collect their **** to build a "budget" turbo set up, like myself, find themselves questioning whether it was better to just cash out and spare no expense. Some times I wish I got MS2PNP or MS3x or even hydra, but my car does start and run everyday to and from school on MS1. So does my Tacoburrito old begi cast ripoff, does it flow as good as a begi or fm cast? No. The point that I'm trying to portray is that there is a fine line between being a critic and an *******, between being a cheapo and a true DIY-er. Will everyone walk that fine line? Hell no. For every acceptable budget turbo setup, there is about 10 more using bipes and an fmu. Is it acceptable for Greg to take his car and try and turbocharge it for $1000 and broadcast it too all the youtube poopheads who own 240k, 20 year old, rust bucket Miata's? Which makes brain and every other senior member cringe and goes against everything they've worked to do? Its a tough call, like warranting to sleep with a married woman because she said her husband is a ********. They're are 2 sides to every story. Then there is the internet effect, where some guy on here is telling me to buy an 800$ ecu should I listen too him? which I don't even want to get started on the levels of DIY and their correlating cost. I know peace has been established between the 2 parties, I don't want to start anything else.
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05-04-2016, 06:27 PM
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So for the past few months that I've been on this site it really hits you how rough and ragged this community really is, which in all honesty makes it a lot more unique. Which in a really big way, wads off 95% of the new members because they are too stupid to use a search bar and I get that. From another stand point you can look at the demographics of who is buying Miata's now a days and looking to modify them, in all reality the days of spirited driving enthusiasts who would spend hours researching what coil overs would give them the best performance regardless of the price, are over or on M.net to rephrase. They have now been replaced with people who come here and see "MiataTurbo.net" and think "Wow turbo!!1!!!1" start a thread and say "Heyyyy This iz my yata and it has xxrs and racelands and im wondering if I can Uze this ebay manifold" and then the murderators promptly offer to shipping a gun to end their pathetic life and said OP finds CR. Then people come on here to wonder where is an acceptable place to skimp money wise, and still people will tell them to read more. In all honesty you could disable all accounts and archive this whole site and it would still get just as much traffic because of how established this community is. For those who can see through the flak and collect their **** to build a "budget" turbo set up, like myself, find themselves questioning whether it was better to just cash out and spare no expense. Some times I wish I got MS2PNP or MS3x or even hydra, but my car does start and run everyday to and from school on MS1. So does my Tacoburrito old begi cast ripoff, does it flow as good as a begi or fm cast? No. The point that I'm trying to portray is that there is a fine line between being a critic and an *******, between being a cheapo and a true DIY-er. Will everyone walk that fine line? Hell no. For every acceptable budget turbo setup, there is about 10 more using bipes and an fmu. Is it acceptable for Greg to take his car and try and turbocharge it for $1000 and broadcast it to all the youtube poopheads who own 240k, 20 year old, rust bucket Miata's? Which makes brain and every other senior member cringe and goes against everything they've worked to do? Its a tough call, like warranting to sleep with a married woman because she said her husband is a ********. There are 2 sides to every story. Then there is the internet effect, where some guy on here is telling me to buy an 800$ ecu should I listen too him? which I don't even want to get started on the levels of DIY and their correlating cost. I know peace has been established between the 2 parties, I don't want to start anything else.
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05-04-2016, 06:30 PM
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So for the past few months that I've been on this site it really hits you how rough and ragged this community really is, which in all honesty makes it a lot more unique. Which in a really big way, wads off 95% of the new members because they are too stupid to use a search bar and I get that. From another stand point you can look at the demographics of who is buying Miata's now a days and looking to modify them, in all reality the days of spirited driving enthusiasts who would spend hours researching what coil overs would give them the best performance regardless of the price, are over or on M.net to rephrase. They have now been replaced with people who come here and see "MiataTurbo.net" and think "Wow turbo!!1!!!1" start a thread and say "Heyyyy This iz my yata and it has xxrs and racelands and im wondering if I can Uze this ebay manifold" and then the murderators promptly offer to shipping a gun to end their pathetic life and said OP finds CR. Then people come on here to wonder where is an acceptable place to skimp money wise, and still people will tell them to read more. In all honesty you could disable all accounts and archive this whole site and it would still get just as much traffic because of how established this community is. For those who can see through the flak and collect their **** to build a "budget" turbo set up, like myself, find themselves questioning whether it was better to just cash out and spare no expense. Some times I wish I got MS2PNP or MS3x or even hydra, but my car does start and run everyday to and from school on MS1. So does my Tacoburrito old begi cast ripoff, does it flow as good as a begi or fm cast? No. The point that I'm trying to portray is that there is a fine line between being a critic and an *******, between being a cheapo and a true DIY-er. Will everyone walk that fine line? Hell no. For every acceptable budget turbo setup, there is about 10 more using bipes and an fmu. Is it acceptable for Greg to take his car and try and turbocharge it for $1000 and broadcast it to all the youtube poopheads who own 240k, 20 year old, rust bucket Miata's? Which makes brain and every other senior member cringe and goes against everything they've worked to do? Its a tough call, like warranting to sleep with a married woman because she said her husband is a ********. There are 2 sides to every story. Then there is the internet effect, where some guy on here is telling me to buy an 800$ ecu should I listen too him? which I don't even want to get started on the levels of DIY and their correlating cost. I know peace has been established between the 2 parties, I don't want to start anything else.
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05-04-2016, 07:02 PM
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The funny thing is, there ARE budget turbo builds that are done on this site. I don't know how much OP has spent thus far on his, but i did this build(not including the interior swap) for somewhere between $2,000 - $2,500. I don't have an exact number because a TON of beer was consumed. My memory is foggy. (I should have made a youtube series "drunk & boosted")
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ta-ever-73248/
The thing is though, this uses quality parts. Parts that have been known to preform well and be reliable. Most of the parts were free(what was laying around), found on craigslist for cheap, or built somehow.
I wouldn't hesitate to build this car again. It was rock solid, even though it would have needed a torsen eventually.
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ta-ever-73248/
The thing is though, this uses quality parts. Parts that have been known to preform well and be reliable. Most of the parts were free(what was laying around), found on craigslist for cheap, or built somehow.
I wouldn't hesitate to build this car again. It was rock solid, even though it would have needed a torsen eventually.
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05-04-2016, 07:10 PM
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For the millionth time:
buy a non-electronics FM kit without the intercooler core and turbo. add ebay core and garrett t25. add ms and wideband.
BOOM YOU'RE DONE for under 3k
3k too much to turbocharge a car? then you should have other priorities, like going to school and getting a job
buy a non-electronics FM kit without the intercooler core and turbo. add ebay core and garrett t25. add ms and wideband.
BOOM YOU'RE DONE for under 3k
3k too much to turbocharge a car? then you should have other priorities, like going to school and getting a job
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05-04-2016, 07:40 PM
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For the millionth time:
buy a non-electronics FM kit without the intercooler core and turbo. add ebay core and garrett t25. add ms and wideband.
BOOM YOU'RE DONE for under 3k
3k too much to turbocharge a car? then you should have other priorities, like going to school and getting a job
buy a non-electronics FM kit without the intercooler core and turbo. add ebay core and garrett t25. add ms and wideband.
BOOM YOU'RE DONE for under 3k
3k too much to turbocharge a car? then you should have other priorities, like going to school and getting a job
Total 2800$ not including ecu, but I am overseas so that's a few hundred more than you would pay.
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05-04-2016, 10:22 PM
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The funny thing is, there ARE budget turbo builds that are done on this site. I don't know how much OP has spent thus far on his, but i did this build(not including the interior swap) for somewhere between $2,000 - $2,500. I don't have an exact number because a TON of beer was consumed. My memory is foggy. (I should have made a youtube series "drunk & boosted")
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ta-ever-73248/
The thing is though, this uses quality parts. Parts that have been known to preform well and be reliable. Most of the parts were free(what was laying around), found on craigslist for cheap, or built somehow.
I wouldn't hesitate to build this car again. It was rock solid, even though it would have needed a torsen eventually.
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ta-ever-73248/
The thing is though, this uses quality parts. Parts that have been known to preform well and be reliable. Most of the parts were free(what was laying around), found on craigslist for cheap, or built somehow.
I wouldn't hesitate to build this car again. It was rock solid, even though it would have needed a torsen eventually.
Planning to do MKturbo + Reverant MS setup. The 'proper' way most MT folk would call it
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05-06-2016, 09:20 PM
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Tbh, Greg's channel is what gave me the kick in the *** to start working at going turbo again. With all parts coming from the us of a, and the Canadian dollar eating goose ****, parts are ******* pricey here.
His channel shows and explains that this is the go to place, and I've read a whole lot, learnt some (it'd be nice if the turbo flange I'd page in the newb page would have photos), and haven't commented much because searching has been recommended, but when you don't understand something and revive an old thread you get flamed to all hell.
I've ordered an ms2 enhanced, will be learning to tune my car na, as it sits, order my turbo manifold, pipe through my intercooler and piping, then attach turbo and attempt. I drive mine daily, so all in a day isn't feasible.
Anywho. Thanks Greg. Thanks Mt.net
I say encourage new users, if they choose to do things correctly, great, if not, flame the useless ***** who buy eBay kits for 600$.
His channel shows and explains that this is the go to place, and I've read a whole lot, learnt some (it'd be nice if the turbo flange I'd page in the newb page would have photos), and haven't commented much because searching has been recommended, but when you don't understand something and revive an old thread you get flamed to all hell.
I've ordered an ms2 enhanced, will be learning to tune my car na, as it sits, order my turbo manifold, pipe through my intercooler and piping, then attach turbo and attempt. I drive mine daily, so all in a day isn't feasible.
Anywho. Thanks Greg. Thanks Mt.net
I say encourage new users, if they choose to do things correctly, great, if not, flame the useless ***** who buy eBay kits for 600$.
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