Finding a TD04
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Finding a TD04
YES, Ive googled, Ive googled until my fingers hurt, and I cant for the ******* life of me find anyone that sells the TD04H-15G new, or not in a Greddy kit, and not a shady looking dealer. Does anyone here know of any online retailers that sell them new or rebuilt, and for how much? Ive seen a few people on here running various TD04's, so Im hoping maybe someone can chime in and help. Im trying to plan an alternate route to turboness.
Also, correct me if Im wrong, but the TD04 uses the same 5 bolt flange that the Garrett GT's use, correct? So I could use a BEGi s/g downpipe? If not I could just go with one of the other dp's out there. Im now thinking I want to go the cheap route, which is why Im trying to see how this would work out.
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Also, correct me if Im wrong, but the TD04 uses the same 5 bolt flange that the Garrett GT's use, correct? So I could use a BEGi s/g downpipe? If not I could just go with one of the other dp's out there. Im now thinking I want to go the cheap route, which is why Im trying to see how this would work out.
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I cannot attest to wether the TD04 uses the same flanges as X other turbo, but if you are trying to re-invent the wheel and find a "new" route to turbo cheapdom and awesomeness... maybe buy a Greddy turbo? If you don't want to use anything from the rest of the kit then maybe just maybe you could find the turbo for cheaper by itself but that would take a lot of luck/searching I think.. anyways, why search for a TDO4H like us Greddy guys have/are stuck to? Aren't the gt series turbo technically better? Maybe, maybe not, that's another thing that I can't find any real definitive info on, but if you want a TDO4H, buy the Greddy kit. If you dont want the rest of the parts from the kit, sell those and keep the turbo itself...
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I had originally wanted to stick to a mostly BEGi setup, using a GT2560, but after thinking about it, and looking around a bit, I realised I could save a ton of money by doing some of it DIY style. BEGi intercooler is like $700-$800 if I recall correctly, and the GT series turbos (2554 and 2560) are both around $800-$900. I can get an ebay intercooler and piping for $100, and a TD04 for probably under $500 new, or used for much less like stated above. That alone cuts well over a grand off my total. Seeing the spool data thread with the TD04 13G and how fast it spools, sort of changed my mind about BB vs journal bearing. Though Im sure the 15G probably spools a bit later, but still in range of the GT's.
The WRX TD04 crossed my mind. Seems like I saw someone on here using one, maybe the 13G is the stock, Im not sure. I may end up doing that. Look around and find one used for cheap, and bring it to a local guy I know that rebuilds turbos (BNR, bryan for those in the RX7 world, good guy) and have it rebuilt.
If the T25/28 flange ends up not being the same as the TD04, I guess I could just go with Racing Mazda 2.5'' dp, though BEGi s/g sure does make my nipples hard.
::UPDATE::
THERE ARE TOO DAMN MANY FLANGE DESIGNS! I cant figure out what discharge flange the WRX TD04L turbo has. It looks similar to the GT 5 bolt, but Im sure there is some tiny little difference. This **** should be standardized. Every manufacturer likes to use their own flange though, I guess to keep people from using other parts. Im pretty sure it has a T3 inlet, which is fine because BEGi has a T3 version, but Im still stuck on the discharge. Seems like different models of TD04 had different flanges. Im so confused...
The WRX TD04 crossed my mind. Seems like I saw someone on here using one, maybe the 13G is the stock, Im not sure. I may end up doing that. Look around and find one used for cheap, and bring it to a local guy I know that rebuilds turbos (BNR, bryan for those in the RX7 world, good guy) and have it rebuilt.
If the T25/28 flange ends up not being the same as the TD04, I guess I could just go with Racing Mazda 2.5'' dp, though BEGi s/g sure does make my nipples hard.
::UPDATE::
THERE ARE TOO DAMN MANY FLANGE DESIGNS! I cant figure out what discharge flange the WRX TD04L turbo has. It looks similar to the GT 5 bolt, but Im sure there is some tiny little difference. This **** should be standardized. Every manufacturer likes to use their own flange though, I guess to keep people from using other parts. Im pretty sure it has a T3 inlet, which is fine because BEGi has a T3 version, but Im still stuck on the discharge. Seems like different models of TD04 had different flanges. Im so confused...
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Jesus. Now its looking like the TD04L from the wrx has some messed up looking inlet flange, so it would require both custom manifold, and downpipe. Maybe I should ask the question, what are some cheap turbos that have T25/28 or T3 inlet and a GT 5 bolt discharge... Im guessing that leaves me with Garrett GT series Oh well. I like cheap, but I also like easy and hassle free. Maybe I can cut costs at the intercooler and still get it done cheaper.
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jesus. Now its looking like the td04l from the wrx has some messed up looking inlet flange, so it would require both custom manifold, and downpipe. Maybe i should ask the question, what are some cheap turbos that have t25/28 or t3 inlet and a gt 5 bolt discharge... Im guessing that leaves me with garrett gt series Oh well. I like cheap, but i also like easy and hassle free. Maybe i can cut costs at the intercooler and still get it done cheaper.
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Actually, Im not sure why I didnt really think about that before. I knew the T25 and T28 came on the SR20's, but it just didnt click. I guess I will just browse and shop for good deals until I click the buy button on something I cant resist. Only thing (minor) is the outlet would need an adaptor to hook up the intercooler probably. I think the SR20's had an angled adaptor. Again, that would be minor. Thanks for the ideas guys. Ill just keep shopping around, but thinking about it, a used T25/28 will be the best bet for a under $500 turbo, while being able to use BEGi manifold and DP. Now I just have to decide if I want a journal bearing T25 or a BB T28 (I think is just a 2560, which I would prefer). T25 probably quite a bit cheaper.
Hell, maybe I'll just do an SR20 swap... no, not really.
Hell, maybe I'll just do an SR20 swap... no, not really.
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Actually, Im not sure why I didnt really think about that before. I knew the T25 and T28 came on the SR20's, but it just didnt click. I guess I will just browse and shop for good deals until I click the buy button on something I cant resist. Only thing (minor) is the outlet would need an adaptor to hook up the intercooler probably. I think the SR20's had an angled adaptor. Again, that would be minor. Thanks for the ideas guys. Ill just keep shopping around, but thinking about it, a used T25/28 will be the best bet for a under $500 turbo, while being able to use BEGi manifold and DP. Now I just have to decide if I want a journal bearing T25 or a BB T28 (I think is just a 2560, which I would prefer). T25 probably quite a bit cheaper.
Hell, maybe I'll just do an SR20 swap... no, not really.
Hell, maybe I'll just do an SR20 swap... no, not really.
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I found a rebuilt garrett .42/.48 t3 on ebay for 160 bucks. Sent it to BEGi to be modified to fit their downpipe. The cost of that + BEGi-S kit + an ebay IC came to 1400 bucks. Just tell them you dont want a turbo/crossover pipe. T3 flange leaves tons of room for upgrades down the road too.
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What's wrong with your greddy turbo? Basic rebuild starts at $275.
In a used situation, The idea is that if you can find another turbo with the same wheels and you put the center cartridge into your housings. You have to understand that because Mitsu supplied so many turbos to so many OEMs and places like GReddy that there are a lot of TD04x wheels in a lot of different housings.
In a used situation, The idea is that if you can find another turbo with the same wheels and you put the center cartridge into your housings. You have to understand that because Mitsu supplied so many turbos to so many OEMs and places like GReddy that there are a lot of TD04x wheels in a lot of different housings.
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Isnt the SR20 "T25" similar, or the same as a 2554? and the "T28" from the newer SR20's the 2560? Seems like I recall seeing that, but cant really find it now. If I did get a T25, Id eventually want a T28/2560. Used T28's from SR20's Ive seen are still in the $350-$500 range, and after a rebuild, I might as well have gone new 2560 for $850ish. But the T25 Ive seen quite a few for under $200 with low miles. Thats more my speed right now.
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What's wrong with your greddy turbo? Basic rebuild starts at $275.
In a used situation, The idea is that if you can find another turbo with the same wheels and you put the center cartridge into your housings. You have to understand that because Mitsu supplied so many turbos to so many OEMs and places like GReddy that there are a lot of TD04x wheels in a lot of different housings.
In a used situation, The idea is that if you can find another turbo with the same wheels and you put the center cartridge into your housings. You have to understand that because Mitsu supplied so many turbos to so many OEMs and places like GReddy that there are a lot of TD04x wheels in a lot of different housings.
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I found a rebuilt garrett .42/.48 t3 on ebay for 160 bucks. Sent it to BEGi to be modified to fit their downpipe. The cost of that + BEGi-S kit + an ebay IC came to 1400 bucks. Just tell them you dont want a turbo/crossover pipe. T3 flange leaves tons of room for upgrades down the road too.
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Nope, with the turbo, I think it was actually just under 1600. BEGi is really great about working with you for a custom setup. Just tell them you don't need a turbo ( -$600 ) or crossover pipes (-$200-ish ) and they will give you everything else in the kit tailored around whatever turbo you send to them. Keep in mind though that the lead time goes up when they have to custom make **** for your car
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Well for me, getting a kit after getting my own turbo and intercooler would be useless. The kit really has nothing else I need outside of manifold and downpipe, which I could just buy seperate. If I get the T25, I wont really need any custom stuff done.