vaccuum port on stock FPR??
09-22-2010, 01:37 PM
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vaccuum port on stock FPR??
I take it that the device with the vaccuum port on the stock fuel rail is some sort of fuel pressure regulator. The vaccuum line goes to some sort of selonoid that's most likely controlled by the ECU.
I just installed a MegaSquirt and there is nothing controlling that Selonoid which is why I removed it and plugged the vaccuum port on the FPR.
Is that what everybody does or am I making a bad mistake here?
What's the vaccuum port on the stock FPR (if it is indeed an FPR) used for?
I just installed a MegaSquirt and there is nothing controlling that Selonoid which is why I removed it and plugged the vaccuum port on the FPR.
Is that what everybody does or am I making a bad mistake here?
What's the vaccuum port on the stock FPR (if it is indeed an FPR) used for?
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09-22-2010, 01:59 PM
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We need pictures.
At the back of the stock fuel rail is a little black canister with one fuel hose and one vacuum line. This vacuum line should go directly to the inlet manifold, not to "some sort of selonoid that's most likely controlled by the ECU"
At the back of the stock fuel rail is a little black canister with one fuel hose and one vacuum line. This vacuum line should go directly to the inlet manifold, not to "some sort of selonoid that's most likely controlled by the ECU"
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09-22-2010, 02:11 PM
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Good question though... I'm plainly posting here to make you feel better.
I wondered the same thing, the picture of the vacuum routing on the hood shows lines going from the FPR to "some sort of selonoid that's most likely controlled by the ECU" to the intake manifold.
By seeing this thread, I will now remove the solenoid (along with any other useless solenoids around the engine bay for emissions etc...)
I want AC, powersteering and nothing else.
I wondered the same thing, the picture of the vacuum routing on the hood shows lines going from the FPR to "some sort of selonoid that's most likely controlled by the ECU" to the intake manifold.
By seeing this thread, I will now remove the solenoid (along with any other useless solenoids around the engine bay for emissions etc...)
I want AC, powersteering and nothing else.
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09-22-2010, 02:34 PM
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No, it's what Joe described (I removed the charcoal canister with it's selonoid and the 2 selonoides for the EGR).
How does the MS know what the current fuel pressure is if this regulator can change it according to MAP?
It can't possibly know the FP behavior of this regulator and factor it into the equation when determining injector pulse with.
How does the MS know what the current fuel pressure is if this regulator can change it according to MAP?
It can't possibly know the FP behavior of this regulator and factor it into the equation when determining injector pulse with.
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09-22-2010, 02:37 PM
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It doesn't need to. You simply adjust the VE fuel table which is based on load (MAP) and rpm.
you could lock the FP at 80psi and the MS could still properly maintain perfect fueling but creatively altering your fuel table
you could lock the FP at 80psi and the MS could still properly maintain perfect fueling but creatively altering your fuel table
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09-22-2010, 02:40 PM
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Makes sense, the lower FP at idle could help make it idle smoother because the injector pulses are quite short at full pressure I guess.
I'll hook it up again.
I'll hook it up again.
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09-22-2010, 02:49 PM
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I'm still trying to comprehend why anybody would have ever installed a solenoid valve inline with the vacuum reference to the FPR. I have never heard of anything like this being done by a sane person.
And yeah, the MS can deal with whatever fuel pressure you're running, so long as there is a constant relationship between fuel pressure and manifold pressure. If FP always stays the same, fine. If FP tracks MAP at a known ratio, that's fine to. But you can't have FP changing arbitrarily, as would be the case with some stupid solenoid in there.
And yeah, the MS can deal with whatever fuel pressure you're running, so long as there is a constant relationship between fuel pressure and manifold pressure. If FP always stays the same, fine. If FP tracks MAP at a known ratio, that's fine to. But you can't have FP changing arbitrarily, as would be the case with some stupid solenoid in there.
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09-22-2010, 03:23 PM
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All the OEM FPR does is maintain a relative difference between the target fuel pressure and the pressure it sees inside the manifold.
If you are targeting 50psi pressure, and the manifold is under vacuum of -10psi, then the actual fuel pressure will be 40psi. If you are under 14psi of boost, then the actual fuel pressure will be 64psi.
If you are targeting 50psi pressure, and the manifold is under vacuum of -10psi, then the actual fuel pressure will be 40psi. If you are under 14psi of boost, then the actual fuel pressure will be 64psi.
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