marlon the great

205.4 whp @ 6200 rpm 210.5 lb/ft @ 4700 rpm 16psi of boost





what do you think guys? you're the experts

here's the set up:

ENGINE
1600cc in-line four cylinder, 16 valve DOHC Turbocharged and Intercooled
T3 (45v3) roller bearing turbo
Greddy E-Manage Blue
Greddy Pressure Sensor
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
460cc injectors (RX7 NA)
Walbro 190lph in-tank fuel pump
HKS Manual Boost Controller
VR4 front mount intercooler
Mazda GTX Blow-Off Valve
K&N air filter
Mazdaspeed Low Temp Thermostat
Custom cold air intake
Custom 3” mandrel bent exhaust
Custom 2” stainless steel mandrel bent intercooler pipes
Custom 8AWG grounding kit


DRIVETRAIN
Limited Slip Differential
Exedy Racing Tri-puck Clutch Disc (ZD11T)
Exedy Racing Pressure Plate (ZC04T)


EXHAUST
HKS Super Dragger 3” Turbo Muffler
Custom 3” stainless full exhaust
Custom 3” stainless flexi-muffler

kotomile

iTrader: (24)

205 @ 16 psi?

Seems like there's a restriction somewhere. Look how the torque plummets after ~4600.

levnubhin

iTrader: (30)

Deffinately something holding it back.
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Zaphod

How did you get the 460cc injectors to work with the Emanage blue?

+1 to the previous posts.

Greets

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

The 45v3 is technically a T28, with the same compressor wheel as me but a smaller turbine....Since it's off an R33 I assume it has at least a .63 a/r turbine. In any case, the boost is either not holding to redline or the turbine is too small.

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

Were you not getting any knock at 15:1 AFR ~3k rpm? That turbo should've been making a reasonable amount of boost at that point... enough to shake up your engine. Your AFR is pretty much a roller coast ride from start to finish.

Here's Arkmage's pull - similar turbo

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

well if you look at his pull. his turbo doesnt even seem to spool untill 3.5k for some reason.

devin mac

iTrader: (2)

yeah, that graph's all sorta of weird. small'ish turbine, spooling late, choking up top... sure there's not a potato in the tailpipe or something? :-)

samnavy

iTrader: (7)

My vote is a boost leak that doesn't open up until the boost comes on really strong.

Double check all your couplers and take another turn on them. I hope you're using T-bolt clamps. Also, source another MBC, swap it in and pull it on the street to rule out the MBC being bad.

That turbo shouldn't have a problem holding 16psi to redline.

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

I don't see any MAP indications... unless it's assumed due to the lack of power on the bottom end. You'd think a boost leak that bad wouldn't be able to produce a peak 16psi.

rotaryjunky

iTrader: (3)

Did you ease it to 3500 or was it wide open? My gt28 isn't peaky like that at all.

ThePass

iTrader: (3)

Is 16 psi really what it takes for us (1.6ers) to get 200 whp? I was hoping less...

Vashthestampede

iTrader: (17)

10-12psi = 200whp

Everyone's setup is different around here. Couple guys got right up to 250 at 15 psi.

Vash-

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

cough13psicough.

mike_671

iTrader: (4)

You might want to clear your throat there Braineack. lol

mike_671

iTrader: (4)

I agree. 15 AFR is getting on the lean side

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

It's lean, but drops just as soon as the boost hits where it could be detrimental.

i still blame the turbine or wastegate control. based on your TQ number I assume you hit 15psi and it instantly dropped to 12 or so.


here's my old 11-12psi run. stock ecu, FMU for fuel, bipes to retard timing.



this was with a really restrictive exhaust.....remember, our turbos are nearly identical. you lost nearly 40tq between 4700 and 6200. I only lost 15.




Actually, what's the 5.8 ratio? That's supposed to match the axle gearing...I assume it was third gear based on the number they have inputted. You would be at 5.72:1 if they do use overall. 1.330 trans and 4.3 final. That will lower the numbers some, but only a few HP.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

yeah looking again, the spool is nearly identical, but your tq drops. either your 3" exhaust is actually 2" or you need better boost control. But you should not be spooling this late with your exhaust. I spool 1000rpms soon now to the same psi with my 3" exhaust.

check our runs here together, you can see how similar they are, where you hit 15psi, but its obvious it drops off...or something is choked.

Arkmage

iTrader: (3)

my guess would be an exhaust leak between the head and turbo... it explains the late spool and the poor flow in the top end

marlon the great

thank you guys for all your inputs. I would take a look at the exhaust, maybe its really holding back the turbo...

by the way, the exhaust side of the turbo was divided into 2 chambers, exhaust on the wastegate and exhaust on the turbine like this...



do you think guys this is causing the hold back?