GTX2867R, FM log mani, 1.8, 8.4cr

Old 11-01-2015, 10:38 AM
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1.8, iron log FM manifold, GTX2867R, 3in turbo back, pump 93, MS1, Deatchwerks 750cc injectors, LS2 coils, 8.4cr Supertech pistons, Crower rods, Boundary pump, NA8 head ported by Miata2fast, stock valves, Supertech light double springs, stock cams.

The blips in the first run were where it was hitting overboost at about 15.25psi

About 15psi
262whp @ 5810rpm
252tq @ 5050rpm




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screenshot of spark map?
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Nice, thanks. That's about where I am right now with timing & afr on my gt2560r
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I don't think I'd call that spark table conservative.
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I wouldn't call it conservative either.

Why is the spark table 8x8?
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Originally Posted by Erat
I wouldn't call it conservative either.

Why is the spark table 8x8?
It is an MS1, so smaller fuel and spark tables.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
very conservative spark
Ha, you're running within a couple degrees as much as I'm running on E85. I would hardly call that very conservative.
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Originally Posted by Savington
I don't think I'd call that spark table conservative.
Even with 8.4cr and 93 octane? Hmm. What would you expect for the top couple of rows?
Originally Posted by Erat
I wouldn't call it conservative either.
There seems to be a consensus brewing.
I seem to recall adding two degrees to the top of the map back a year and a half ago because I felt there was too much heat in the exhaust because of the (I thought) overly retarded timing. I saw a few others running more and felt I could safely add a couple.

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Ha, you're running within a couple degrees as much as I'm running on E85. I would hardly call that very conservative.
Are you using low or high compression pistons with the E85?
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IMO the 183 row is really the one that's kinda aggressive, and maybe the 212 by 1 or 2, top row aint that bad.
and y'all have proper fuel and not CA 91oct water, so I don't even think it's that bad.
also the spark is not 8x8, that's the afr target table, unless we're looking at different tables.

...I'm not really impressed with how late that thing comes on though, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
...I'm not really impressed with how late that thing comes on though, that's for sure.
I think that is due to the cast manifold. Hustler had some old threads about his 2860 spooling like donkey **** on a begi cast manifold.
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Yep, I remember that.
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I know it's not apples to apples but at 10:1 and with VVT I was able to get over 200lbft by 3750 rpm on a precision 4828 on a BEGI cast manifold. (195kpa)
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
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Are you using low or high compression pistons with the E85?
FM 9.0:1 Weisco pistons. Nothing crazy.

FWIW I think your spark map is great if it doesn't knock, just noting that's not super conservative.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
...I'm not really impressed with how late that thing comes on though, that's for sure.
Me either. It has the .86 hotside but with ball bearings and a billet wheel I expected better.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
Me either. It has the .86 hotside but with ball bearings and a billet wheel I expected better.
On my GT3271, I found a lot of spoolage by not running pig rich while it spools. I ran it around 14:1 at 100kPa, 13:1 at 140kPa, etc, tapering to target AFRs when you get to target. That made a very very nice improvement in both driveability and spool. Worth a shot since your posted AFR target table is richer than needed at very low boost.
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Originally Posted by patsmx5
On my GT3271, I found a lot of spoolage by not running pig rich while it spools. I ran it around 14:1 at 100kPa, 13:1 at 140kPa, etc, tapering to target AFRs when you get to target. That made a very very nice improvement in both driveability and spool. Worth a shot since your posted AFR target table is richer than needed at very low boost.
Great advice if you want to blow your motor up.
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Originally Posted by Savington
Great advice if you want to blow your motor up.
Lol. Please give me some notes if you have any to share. I'm winging it carrying the Miata flag in the land of vettes and mustangs.
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Originally Posted by Savington
Great advice if you want to blow your motor up.
I didn't say run stoich at full boost. I did what I wrote for a few years and didn't blow an engine up at 140kPa or 100kPa doing it. Det cans and common sense.
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