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10-19-2010, 02:03 PM
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Maybe at the Schaumburg meet up Thursday?
And I won't drive it... I don't drive other peoples cars... I can't afford to replace/fix them... and don't want the guilt even if I'm told its ok
I wouldn't say no to a ride though... this weather isn't exactly traction friendly though
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10-19-2010, 02:25 PM
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I'm surprised that this interesting thread that promotes thoughts of experimentation and discovery turned into a pissing match.
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members. Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions. Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members. Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions. Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
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10-19-2010, 02:27 PM
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I'm surprised that this interesting thread that promotes thoughts of experimentation and discovery turned into a pissing match.
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members. Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions. Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members. Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions. Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
I've noticed some of the same...
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10-19-2010, 04:24 PM
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I'm surprised that this interesting thread that promotes thoughts of experimentation and discovery turned into a pissing match.
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members.Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions . Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
Any time an unusual combination can give us surprising results and promote inquisitive thinking and constructive speculation it should be a good thing. I've noticed a tendency to "poo-poo" experimentation with new ways of doing things on this forum unless it is conducted by a select few members.Some guys can try anything and be lauded as innovators and trailblazers and others are accused of crucifying our savior for the same actions . Critical thinking and analysis of data being presented is good but no one should get unreasonable and start making it personal. I think we are above that.
I would love to see a dyno pull of the same parameters with a stock intake. What CR are your pistons?
I keep seeing this in posts lately and frankly I think its bullshit.
Let me explain:
The reason an average n00b usually gets flack for doing something "differently" or trying something new or proven not to work well in the past is because of one BIG reason - they have neither the money, nor the skills, nor the brain power to think the project through, execute it correctly while documenting every step, and fix any fuckups or mistakes that can potentially ruin their car/engine/etc.
While these so called "regulars" usually do.
Plain and simple, if a noob comes on here showing great intelligence, has money, and the skills to try new **** and prepared to deal with the consequences we'll all just sit back and watch and encourage him.
Instead we get ******* 14 year old dipshits with 2 dollars and a half running POS car that needs fixing and maintenance before anything going "oh hai guythsss I'm going to swap an F16 fighter jet plane engine with NAWSSS what do you think????? HURRR DURRR"
Then 2 weeks later you see a thread "OH **** I FUCKED UP PLEASE HELP I HAVE NO MONEY AND NO TIME AND THINK I BROKEDED SUMFIN"
PS: sorry for going off topic OP, I just had to get that off my hairy chest
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10-19-2010, 06:46 PM
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Yeah I am getting sick of people saying that my numbers are somehow made up?
But this is for fact for the Evo 18 psi..
this whould help..you can find in in the beginning..section..
What engine does my car have?
All currently produced American market evo's have the 2.0 liter 4g63 turbo motor.
How much boost is my car running stock?It depends on the year:
03-04s run 19.5psi at 3500rpm, which tapers to 16psi by 6500rpm
05-06s run 20.3psi at 3500rpm, which tapers to 17psi by 6500rpm
How big is my stock turbo?
Evo's come with different variations of the 16g turbocharger:
03-04 = 16g6 with a 9.8cm^2 turbine housing
05 = 16g6 with a 10.5cm^2 turbine housing
06 = 16g6 with a 10.5cm^2 turbine housing and larger compressor housing
What is stock fuel pressure?
43psi with the vacuun hose off and plugged.
How much does fuel pressure increase when I am boosting?
1:1 = 1psi per 1psi
What size are the stock fuel injectors?
560cc
How big is the stock fuel pump?
03-05 = Same size as a Walbro GSS342, and flows 160lph@12v
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The only point I was trying to make to that guy is give a built motor evo with head work, cams, after market turbo, and everything else with ECU it will make a **** load more power then my car, I think he is trying to compare my car which is fully built to a semi stock evo, my car will make more power then a lot of built evos given my boost level, let alone if I ran the boost they did I would make more. The displacement just allows for more power in the end because yes, we do have a 800 whp Miata but they're also 1,000+ evos.
Read more at http://forums.evolutionm.net/evom-ne...ktrack=kcplink
But this is for fact for the Evo 18 psi..
this whould help..you can find in in the beginning..section..
What engine does my car have?
All currently produced American market evo's have the 2.0 liter 4g63 turbo motor.
How much boost is my car running stock?It depends on the year:
03-04s run 19.5psi at 3500rpm, which tapers to 16psi by 6500rpm
05-06s run 20.3psi at 3500rpm, which tapers to 17psi by 6500rpm
How big is my stock turbo?
Evo's come with different variations of the 16g turbocharger:
03-04 = 16g6 with a 9.8cm^2 turbine housing
05 = 16g6 with a 10.5cm^2 turbine housing
06 = 16g6 with a 10.5cm^2 turbine housing and larger compressor housing
What is stock fuel pressure?
43psi with the vacuun hose off and plugged.
How much does fuel pressure increase when I am boosting?
1:1 = 1psi per 1psi
What size are the stock fuel injectors?
560cc
How big is the stock fuel pump?
03-05 = Same size as a Walbro GSS342, and flows 160lph@12v
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The only point I was trying to make to that guy is give a built motor evo with head work, cams, after market turbo, and everything else with ECU it will make a **** load more power then my car, I think he is trying to compare my car which is fully built to a semi stock evo, my car will make more power then a lot of built evos given my boost level, let alone if I ran the boost they did I would make more. The displacement just allows for more power in the end because yes, we do have a 800 whp Miata but they're also 1,000+ evos.
Read more at http://forums.evolutionm.net/evom-ne...ktrack=kcplink
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10-21-2010, 10:48 AM
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What are you, 12? Make more money than me? You have no idea how much I make, own, whatever.
Since you make so much, take your POS (gee, I'm dynoing yet I have loose bolts, I'm retarded and don't know what the **** I'm talking about) to AMS, P&L or any other shop besides the one you're using and get another set of numbers. It's standard dyno "bragging" practice and 1/4 mile practice to have to back your **** up.
I was comparing a 2 liter Evo running your turbo retard that didn't make the whp. There's a Genesis 2.0 running your turbo too making a lot less power. Along with a few 1.8 Audis.
Building a 1.6 Miata motor (vs a stock 2.0 whatever) doesn't mean **** as you're still limited by the max displacement and relatively poor head. No amount of magic is going to make it flow better than most of the 2.0 motors out there.
I pulled out P&L because I know their tuner well and know their dyno doesn't pump out bullshit numbers and they're in your state (not the state of confusion about what the **** you're doing).
If you want me out of your thread, PM a mod and have them ban me you *****. I'm raising questions that need to be raised based on your numbers and your setup.
People bashed FMs numbers for years and at least they know what they're doing. You apparently don't.
Every answer you give is some quoted bullshit from a post on epinions or ******* Motorweek or something.
Splitime,
While I understand a larger turbo running low boost requires a larger EWG, a 55lb/min turbo at 18 psi shouldn't be an issue with a 38mm EWG (assuming the bolts are all tight.
) Hell my Turbosmart 35mm on my old car running a 52lb/min turbo held spring boost (15 psi ) without issue.
Since you make so much, take your POS (gee, I'm dynoing yet I have loose bolts, I'm retarded and don't know what the **** I'm talking about) to AMS, P&L or any other shop besides the one you're using and get another set of numbers. It's standard dyno "bragging" practice and 1/4 mile practice to have to back your **** up.
I was comparing a 2 liter Evo running your turbo retard that didn't make the whp. There's a Genesis 2.0 running your turbo too making a lot less power. Along with a few 1.8 Audis.
Building a 1.6 Miata motor (vs a stock 2.0 whatever) doesn't mean **** as you're still limited by the max displacement and relatively poor head. No amount of magic is going to make it flow better than most of the 2.0 motors out there.
I pulled out P&L because I know their tuner well and know their dyno doesn't pump out bullshit numbers and they're in your state (not the state of confusion about what the **** you're doing).
If you want me out of your thread, PM a mod and have them ban me you *****. I'm raising questions that need to be raised based on your numbers and your setup.
People bashed FMs numbers for years and at least they know what they're doing. You apparently don't.
Every answer you give is some quoted bullshit from a post on epinions or ******* Motorweek or something.
Splitime,
While I understand a larger turbo running low boost requires a larger EWG, a 55lb/min turbo at 18 psi shouldn't be an issue with a 38mm EWG (assuming the bolts are all tight.
) Hell my Turbosmart 35mm on my old car running a 52lb/min turbo held spring boost (15 psi ) without issue.
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10-28-2010, 08:15 AM
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Hello my friend!
Very nice set up , especially the intake.Big turbos at miatas rocks
I hope you enjoy your car and be far from damages!
Now, if you let me discuss your numbers, I would say for another time, that the dynos sometimes and the users of them are very confused.
I turboed my miata since 2003, I have change many many setups, 5 diferrent turbos etc, 15-20 dynos at diferrent dynos and I never understand the way they works. At 2005 my miata with GT28R was 250whp at the same dyno that one friend made 330 with the same set up, just an external and a bigger exhaust, and at the road the cars was going almost the same. And this was JUST ONE example.
Concluding, because I have seen so much, especially with miata engines , an 1,6 lt motor revving up to 7200-7500, cannot anyway give 430WHP with only 18psi or 1,25bar.Even god has tune it
Think just my best friends 20VT 2,0 lt engine at seat ibiza, fully built with billet 62-62 makes 650 whp at 2,4 bar and at 1,2 makes 370whp.
Nissan vvl 1,6 turbo engine of another friend fully built and GT35 revving 9200 made 450whp at 1,4 bar.
And a last example with miata engine is an FM 2.0 miata here in greece (that does not exist now) that costed more than 80000 only the aftermarkets, full ported head with oversize ferrea,Edelbrock intake custom manifold,1000 injectors,todas 272,and TD04Z turbo cannot make the numbers you did in your 1,6 lt. At 17psi if I remember it made 400whp.And this was revving 8400.If it were revving 7000 it would made 380 max!
I don't want to go instead of you, I hope you enjoy your car and be unbreakable
but I just want to say that some things just cannot happen.
ps1 sorry for my bad english
ps2 what transmission do you have? A stock tranny miata with 425whp,spit its gears out at the first full throttle.
Very nice set up , especially the intake.Big turbos at miatas rocks
I hope you enjoy your car and be far from damages!
Now, if you let me discuss your numbers, I would say for another time, that the dynos sometimes and the users of them are very confused.
I turboed my miata since 2003, I have change many many setups, 5 diferrent turbos etc, 15-20 dynos at diferrent dynos and I never understand the way they works. At 2005 my miata with GT28R was 250whp at the same dyno that one friend made 330 with the same set up, just an external and a bigger exhaust, and at the road the cars was going almost the same. And this was JUST ONE example.
Concluding, because I have seen so much, especially with miata engines , an 1,6 lt motor revving up to 7200-7500, cannot anyway give 430WHP with only 18psi or 1,25bar.Even god has tune it
Think just my best friends 20VT 2,0 lt engine at seat ibiza, fully built with billet 62-62 makes 650 whp at 2,4 bar and at 1,2 makes 370whp.
Nissan vvl 1,6 turbo engine of another friend fully built and GT35 revving 9200 made 450whp at 1,4 bar.
And a last example with miata engine is an FM 2.0 miata here in greece (that does not exist now) that costed more than 80000 only the aftermarkets, full ported head with oversize ferrea,Edelbrock intake custom manifold,1000 injectors,todas 272,and TD04Z turbo cannot make the numbers you did in your 1,6 lt. At 17psi if I remember it made 400whp.And this was revving 8400.If it were revving 7000 it would made 380 max!
I don't want to go instead of you, I hope you enjoy your car and be unbreakable
but I just want to say that some things just cannot happen.ps1 sorry for my bad english
ps2 what transmission do you have? A stock tranny miata with 425whp,spit its gears out at the first full throttle.
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10-29-2010, 07:30 PM
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Enjoy your car my friend and stop thinking about the numbers.
Bigger turbos need more pressure to get of them more horsepower.
At 18psi your turbo is out of range. I can give million of examples and different cars that can't hit this number.
Your dyno numbers are not real i telling that with out of offense .... but if you still thinking that you have the fastest 1.6 bring your miata at your next holidays to Greece.You can find here some answers that they can change your aggressive style .
Bigger turbos need more pressure to get of them more horsepower.
At 18psi your turbo is out of range. I can give million of examples and different cars that can't hit this number.
Your dyno numbers are not real i telling that with out of offense .... but if you still thinking that you have the fastest 1.6 bring your miata at your next holidays to Greece.You can find here some answers that they can change your aggressive style .
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10-29-2010, 07:41 PM
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LOL at thinking my dyno numbers are not real. Call the shop, number and name is that the top of my dyno sheet. I have nothing left to say, the shop is known around the world by the Supra crowd.
CEO made 900 whp at 30 pounds of boost, so is he lying to? You have got to be kidding me.
And you obviously don't know everything you think you do about Miata's because I do have a stock 5 speed and I don't spin threw 1st gear.
CEO made 900 whp at 30 pounds of boost, so is he lying to? You have got to be kidding me.
And you obviously don't know everything you think you do about Miata's because I do have a stock 5 speed and I don't spin threw 1st gear.
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10-29-2010, 07:49 PM
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Loool is disrespect to compare your little 1.6 mx5 with Ceo's beast.
I have seen this car too many times to race with evo and porsche and believe me was really a monster.
He spent over 80000$ with full FM stroke kit and too many other thinks.
It seems more like a good advertisement of your shop and nothing something special.
Enjoy your car and have fun too but your record is only for your imagination
I have seen this car too many times to race with evo and porsche and believe me was really a monster.
He spent over 80000$ with full FM stroke kit and too many other thinks.
It seems more like a good advertisement of your shop and nothing something special.
Enjoy your car and have fun too but your record is only for your imagination
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10-29-2010, 09:01 PM
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LOL x 10000000
And you know everything, telling that your stock transmission hasn't broke yet because you don't spin threw the first gear??????
Ok, I think that at this point we have to stop the discussion with you.
It's your authority to believe everything you want.
But just for the story, one true powerfull miata with REAL 425whp at the FIRST full throtlle with 3d or 4th gear will make the stock transmission gearsoup.
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10-29-2010, 09:10 PM
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Enjoy your car my friend,but if you like to deceive yourself, there are some people out there that they can't be deceived so easy. 1+1=2. At least the last 100 years.
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