dgmorr

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Hello,

I'm looking for a decent priced unit to sense and listen for knock (not looking to have it controlled). I am using an Adaptronic ECU on my 2001. Does anyone know if this unit is any good? Or is there a better suited unit that allows for listening? This one is available locally to me for $300.

J&S Electronics • SafeGuard


Thanks for any info.

hustler

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It doesn't work.

richyvrlimited

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Ha Hustler you're on crack and no wonder you're such a paranoid. the J&S Ultra Safeguard is one of the best active knock sensing units you can get.

OP you know the E420 Adaptronic has active knock control built in don't you? Anyway If all you want is detection, not something to do anyhting about it the J&S is a bit overkill.

I have and use the TurboXS Knocklite. it sounds a bit eBay tat-ish. but actually it's nothing short of brilliant at detecting knock (confirmed with electronic detcans). It needs an RPM input so it can distinguish between increased engine noise and knock.


Turbo XS - WRX, STi, EVO SRT4, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Turbo, Turbocharged


Also doubles up as a shift light if you so desire.

hustler

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Does your JGS safeguard sample ignition events to sample for knock resonance, or does it fail and filter out and turn off at high rpm?

richyvrlimited

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Is that in specific reply to the J&S or the Knocklite?

Knocklite has RPM filtering, granted you can't alter the curve, but for the MX5 at least it's a very well proven device.

I've no experience of the CosWorth motor so can't really comment. not exactly an apples to apples comparison is it

hustler

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So you're saying you've disregarded my post? OK, blow your money out your ***, i don't give a ****.

richyvrlimited

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OMG your such a tool. Re-read my post you blind idiot.

I already own a Knocklite, It works brilliantly. You just copied and pasted some random **** but didn't actually reference it against anything contributed thus far in the thread.

Go back to your corner and cry about your engines impending implosion and leave the serious discussion to people who can remain coherent.

hustler

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How long is your sample period before each ignition event?

richyvrlimited

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No idea. Do I care? Nope it works. Is that so hard to believe?

I've run it alongside me caning the car with a set of detcans fitted. I've intentionally set in knock and guess what it picked it up.

Sometimes you don't need to have *all* the information you know, Ignorance can be bliss at times

hustler

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You're really ******* stupid. I'm going to do you a favor and open a vein to bleed some intelligence into this piece of **** thread you've created but you'll probably disregard my advice and go back to dreaming of a body fat index low enough to make it on Jersey Shore to "G" girls in New Jersey bars because going home with an Alabama tranny because you've never been man enough for a women without a Y-chromosome, bro.

Of course you can hear "gross" detonation, duh. You're too ******* stupid to realize that less severe knock events cannot be heard, and still eat up engines. I have a friend who tuned out knock with det cans and had slight detonation for an entire track season...then rebuilt. Savington heard no detonation with det cans, and still ate a motor.

richyvrlimited

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Meh, which is why you're a paranoid **** and I'm perfectly happy and not particularly worried.

There's not a lot better than the human ear in picking up det. Period. the slightst 'ping' I could pick up was regarded as severe knock by the Knocklite.

Good enough for me and I can sleep at night unlike some people who go into an obsessive crying episode every time they pull their plugs and post them on the forum.

hustler

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I agree the ear is superior, but you can't really use it with precision when you're hitting 130mph+ in 5th gear on lets say the 10th lap of the session.

Its good enough for you and useless to me because I can't afford the proper ****...and we're comparing apples to latent homosexuality because you put around the street and I crush skulls on the track and drink blood from still-beating hearts.

ARTech

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Do you by chance use a FF supercharger. I hear their E-cool "intercooler" is 200% efficient...

Don't ask how just know that it works

richyvrlimited

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Ha ha I'm not that much of an Idiot

Charger is a hotside with a FMIC, see my sig

e-cool is utter bunkem, reminds me though I really need my WI hooking back up

richyvrlimited

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Genius, and here's me thinking you'd lost it Hustler

I do track my car, but granted probably not as hard as you

If the OP can chime in on what the car is used for it'd probably help on whether the KL is any good for them

dgmorr

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The E420 does have active knock control, but I would also like to listen for it. The E420 also displays the knock count, but I have no idea what number is within a reasonable range.

It's for my 2001 NB. Soon to be turbo, but I want to work out all the electronic stuff first.


Hustler, why doesn't it work? Is that stereo jack not for headphones? Can't find too much info on it either.


EDIT: Just got a reply from the J&S guy. That 3.5mm stereo jack is just the output to the included gauge display...damn.

Savington

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FYI, Rich, leaving the VVT unhooked like you intend on doing will make your motor prone to detonation. I struggled with low timing values and chronic detonation in my original motor due to an incorrectly installed timing belt (2 teeth retarded).

richyvrlimited

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Oh crap! Cheers for the warning Savington.

Not a lot I can do about it currently, as unfortunately I need to install it asap. I'll have to tune accordingly and take the power loss hit :(

crazygambit

I'm curious to hear what you guys think of this:

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t41877/

Would that work for what you want? Is the design any good? I know next to nothing about these things, so any comments are appreciated.

JasonC SBB

There's a difference in that the VVT intake cam has less duration so the effect of permanent retard is different.