head porting bang for the bux trix
01-27-2010, 12:27 PM
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head porting bang for the bux trix
What I learned, in rough order of bang for the buck/time
1) Of all the head porting trix the most bang for the buck is indeed to backcut the intake valves.
2) Next is to just pay extra for Supertech intake valves if the intake valves need replacing.
3) Next is a 3 angle job, esp. if you're doing a valve job already
4) Next is if the exh valves need replacing AND a 3 angle job is planned, pay extra and get +1mm Supertech exh valves.
(Rebello tells me that +1mm intake valves need to have extra bowl work to make em flow better than standard.)
After that some mad skillz are necessary to do it right:
5) Blending back of seat into throat
6) Other Bowl work
7) That ridge in the short side when the air makes a turn.
8) Then teardropping the guides.
9) After that is their top secret labor intensive stuff
1) Of all the head porting trix the most bang for the buck is indeed to backcut the intake valves.
2) Next is to just pay extra for Supertech intake valves if the intake valves need replacing.
3) Next is a 3 angle job, esp. if you're doing a valve job already
4) Next is if the exh valves need replacing AND a 3 angle job is planned, pay extra and get +1mm Supertech exh valves.
(Rebello tells me that +1mm intake valves need to have extra bowl work to make em flow better than standard.)
After that some mad skillz are necessary to do it right:
5) Blending back of seat into throat
6) Other Bowl work
7) That ridge in the short side when the air makes a turn.
8) Then teardropping the guides.
9) After that is their top secret labor intensive stuff
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01-27-2010, 12:28 PM
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The most common problem in medium and hi miles heads is leaky exhaust valves.
I've seen this on 4 miatas now.
how to test
Lay the head on its side and point the exhaust ports up. Pick the 2 or 3 cylinders whose valves are closed and the lobes are pointing away from the valves. Pour some kerosene or thin oil or spirits into the ports. Watch for weeping into the combustion chamber. I'll bet you a donut some or most of the exh valves will weep, and the intake valves are fine.
Turn cams to close other valves. Repeat test on them.
With leaky valves turn cam to max lift and look at valve seating mating surfaces. Mating surfaces should be a shiny unbroken ring. Look for telltalle little burn marks in this ring, especially on the exhaust valve. There's your leaks. If none, look for dirt that prevents seating, clean it out, repeat leak test.
If you get some weeping (but not dripping lol), the cheapass way to fix it is to lap the exhaust valves by hand yourself. This will improve your leakdown and increase the life of the valves. While your at it, check the guides by checking how much side to side play the exh valve heads have.
I've seen this on 4 miatas now.
how to test
Lay the head on its side and point the exhaust ports up. Pick the 2 or 3 cylinders whose valves are closed and the lobes are pointing away from the valves. Pour some kerosene or thin oil or spirits into the ports. Watch for weeping into the combustion chamber. I'll bet you a donut some or most of the exh valves will weep, and the intake valves are fine.
Turn cams to close other valves. Repeat test on them.
With leaky valves turn cam to max lift and look at valve seating mating surfaces. Mating surfaces should be a shiny unbroken ring. Look for telltalle little burn marks in this ring, especially on the exhaust valve. There's your leaks. If none, look for dirt that prevents seating, clean it out, repeat leak test.
If you get some weeping (but not dripping lol), the cheapass way to fix it is to lap the exhaust valves by hand yourself. This will improve your leakdown and increase the life of the valves. While your at it, check the guides by checking how much side to side play the exh valve heads have.
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01-27-2010, 12:51 PM
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They completely left out blending the back of the seat into the port. Thats like the #1 cheap and "easy*" flow increase.
*easy assumes you have a steady hand and experience porting heads.
EDIT: To add more, it almost doesn't matter a whole lot for uber porting anyway. The stock lift on miata heads is so low that you will never see the flow ranges that you can achieve with anything really beyond a vj and some mild porting.
*easy assumes you have a steady hand and experience porting heads.
EDIT: To add more, it almost doesn't matter a whole lot for uber porting anyway. The stock lift on miata heads is so low that you will never see the flow ranges that you can achieve with anything really beyond a vj and some mild porting.
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01-27-2010, 01:09 PM
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What a timely article...I've been out in the garage with a Dremel every night this week.
+1 on what neo said about blending the valve seat with the bowl. I was very surprised to see how big that lip can be...it's almost as bad as a 2.5" gasket in a 3" exhaust pipe...
For bowl blending check Hakuna's page koto.
Other than that I'm just taking casting roughness out, and doing a little deshrouding in the combustion chamber.
+1 on what neo said about blending the valve seat with the bowl. I was very surprised to see how big that lip can be...it's almost as bad as a 2.5" gasket in a 3" exhaust pipe...
For bowl blending check Hakuna's page koto.
Other than that I'm just taking casting roughness out, and doing a little deshrouding in the combustion chamber.
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01-27-2010, 01:14 PM
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What I learned
Of all the head porting trix the most bang for the buck is indeed to backcut the intake valves.
Next is to just pay extra for Supertech intake valves if the intake valves need replacing.
Next is a 3 angle job
Next is if the exh valves need replacing AND a 3 angle job is planned, pay extra and get +1mm Supertech exh valves.
(Rebello tells me that +1mm intake valves need to have extra bowl work to make em flow better than standard.)
After that some mad skillz are necessary to do it right; bowl work is next bang for the buck, and that ridge in the short side when the air makes a turn.
Then teardropping the guides.
After that is their top secret stuff.
Of all the head porting trix the most bang for the buck is indeed to backcut the intake valves.
Next is to just pay extra for Supertech intake valves if the intake valves need replacing.
Next is a 3 angle job
Next is if the exh valves need replacing AND a 3 angle job is planned, pay extra and get +1mm Supertech exh valves.
(Rebello tells me that +1mm intake valves need to have extra bowl work to make em flow better than standard.)
After that some mad skillz are necessary to do it right; bowl work is next bang for the buck, and that ridge in the short side when the air makes a turn.
Then teardropping the guides.
After that is their top secret stuff.
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01-27-2010, 02:10 PM
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You will find this community is to...frugal... with their money to get results like that. I've ported heads and seen gains, but even I didn't want to pay for flow benching. It's highly overpriced. The vast majority of users, even here where performance is king, have 0 headwork on their cars.
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01-27-2010, 04:03 PM
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This site is focused on SBF Ford wedge heads but provides an overview of the tools required for porting, shows how to make port molds, how to blend the valve seat to throat transition, how to streamline the valve guide etc.
diyPorting.com
Standard Abrasives DIY head porting guide (Very basic porting, mostly smoothing and gasket matching)...
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...0Abrasives.pdf
Engine Blueprinting book by Rick Voeglin has a decent chapter on cylinder head prep which includes some porting basics.
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01-27-2010, 04:27 PM
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Not to contradict the postings about head work.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
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01-27-2010, 04:36 PM
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Not to contradict the postings about head work.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
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01-27-2010, 04:41 PM
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but you guys miss the point.
it's right there in the thread title.
"bang for the bux"
in other words, do them in the order posted if you're doing it on the cheap.
it's right there in the thread title.
"bang for the bux"
in other words, do them in the order posted if you're doing it on the cheap.
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01-27-2010, 04:47 PM
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Not to contradict the postings about head work.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
What I ask myself when I read all the above is if this car will be running the quarter mile in 9 seconds or is it been prepped to be a dyno bitch to see if it reaches 600 hp etc or whatever.
What I am trying to say is I have seen plenty of cars with UNTOUCHED cylinder heads doing 10 and 11 seconds, of course the engine has forged rods and pistons. I sometimes think porting is over-rated and unless every last drop of HP is the goal there really is no need to even touch those cylinder heads.
Do not misinterpret what I am saying, hey if you got the money go ahead and get yourself a badass port work. I think much more can be attained with a custom made intake manifold, bigger throttle body, cam (integralcams.com) etc. IMO, I would not touch at all the cylinder head... just my two cents.
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01-27-2010, 04:53 PM
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Burp
An internal combustion engine is just a glorified air pumping system. Total system throughput is only as good as the weakest link. What good is 250CFM of custom intake runner going to do on a cylinder head that only flows 180CFM on the intake port? Cam lift beyond where the port stalls is useless and a long duration cam on a doggy port yields a peaky power curve with no low end and mid range torque.
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