FlowForce 960 Install Results
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FlowForce 960 Install Results
I wanted to give some initial feedback on FlowForce’s 960cc injectors, which I installed this past weekend. My ride is a naturally aspirated ’00 with a BP6D, and I was running the ’00 injectors.
Nigel stated that the dead times for these injectors are pretty close to his 640cc injectors, so I started with the dead times that TSE has listed:
Bryan
Nigel stated that the dead times for these injectors are pretty close to his 640cc injectors, so I started with the dead times that TSE has listed:
- 1.12ms @ 13.2v
- 140.3% @ 11v
- 120.9% @ 12v
- 102.9% @ 13v
- 90.4% @ 14v
- 80.7% @ 15v
- 73.8% @ 16v
- 1.12ms @ 13.2v
- 230.0% @ 9v
- 125.0% @ 12v
- 107.0% @ 13v
- 94.5% @ 14v
- 84.8% @ 15v
- 77.9% @ 16v
Bryan
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Nigels numbers are spot on.
What this means is that your old dead times were not spot on, and your tune has been affected at the small end by this.
Dead times let the ecu know how long the injectors take to react, which changes how long the ecu requests fuel for. If it needs 4ms of opening time to fuel the car this squirt a 1ms deadtimes makes the actual output run for 5ms. If they are off your fuel table will have to be off in the opposite direction to compensate, which is what you had with old oem injectors, 50/50 accurate dead times on them and your old tune.
It's ok, just run Nigel (the ones on TSE) numbers and then retune your fuel around idle and check the fuel elsewhere while you are at it.
Dann
What this means is that your old dead times were not spot on, and your tune has been affected at the small end by this.
Dead times let the ecu know how long the injectors take to react, which changes how long the ecu requests fuel for. If it needs 4ms of opening time to fuel the car this squirt a 1ms deadtimes makes the actual output run for 5ms. If they are off your fuel table will have to be off in the opposite direction to compensate, which is what you had with old oem injectors, 50/50 accurate dead times on them and your old tune.
It's ok, just run Nigel (the ones on TSE) numbers and then retune your fuel around idle and check the fuel elsewhere while you are at it.
Dann
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Dann,
Thanks for the reply. These Nigel's new 960cc injectors, not the 640cc ones. I don't think there's a consensus on what the dead times for these should be yet, which is why I wanted to post initial feedback. I'm not saying my numbers are the answer, but they are a starting point. Vlad is helping me with the tune so I'll update as to what we eventually settle on.
Bryan
Thanks for the reply. These Nigel's new 960cc injectors, not the 640cc ones. I don't think there's a consensus on what the dead times for these should be yet, which is why I wanted to post initial feedback. I'm not saying my numbers are the answer, but they are a starting point. Vlad is helping me with the tune so I'll update as to what we eventually settle on.
Bryan
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