1.8 afm on a 1.6
#21
Well, as I said, do you know how to spec out a microprocessor with the right features (digital-to-anolog and vice versa controllers), have it mounted to a circuit board, spec out some EEPROM chips to hold the code you're about to write, a development kit that includes some sort of sync cable to attach to the port you spec'd on your circuit board so you can transfer code and bench-test the board, write and compile code to tie it all together?
If so, then you'd more than likely not have even asked for wiring diagrams. That's the least of your worries. Ever seen a circuit board schematic?
If so, then you'd more than likely not have even asked for wiring diagrams. That's the least of your worries. Ever seen a circuit board schematic?
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look matey sum how i doubt it is out my leauge i do everything from mot's n service to ecu mapping i know wat im doing and if i put my mind to it could figure it out myself just thought that someone on here would of already had the same idea and of done the hard work so to speak
thanks for the help ill put a how too up in a couple of days to prove a point
thanks for the help ill put a how too up in a couple of days to prove a point
But let's be realistic. Unless you're a mechnic/EE/CE, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell. So more likely, we'll just never hear from you again.
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for those of you who were trying to point me in the right direction (magnamx5) im very greatfull i will post up how to do it ina couple of days
malc
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As far as i can tell it is the afm is just a potentiometer. i have never built or considered the circiut but from what i can see in the diagram and explanation it seems that is it linear. And the RX7 info posted earlier by brian states the same. http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...=120&co=1&vi=1
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you clearly think you know what you are talking about but you know naff all get a life i was asking for ideas and posotive input on the matter not a load of abuse about mirco processors and chips
for those of you who were trying to point me in the right direction (magnamx5) im very greatfull i will post up how to do it ina couple of days
malc
for those of you who were trying to point me in the right direction (magnamx5) im very greatfull i will post up how to do it ina couple of days
malc
#31
and that is for an rx-7 AFM vs a ford MAF. are you referring to this image? the one with the caption, "The very nonlinear AFM vs. MAF plot."?
http://www.globalvicinity.com/images....2489_4690.jpg
the relationship for a 1.6 AFM and a 1.8 MAF would, i imagine, be different from the rx-7 vs ford relationship...
http://www.globalvicinity.com/images....2489_4690.jpg
the relationship for a 1.6 AFM and a 1.8 MAF would, i imagine, be different from the rx-7 vs ford relationship...
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and that is for an rx-7 AFM vs a ford MAF. are you referring to this image? the one with the caption, "The very nonlinear AFM vs. MAF plot."?
http://www.globalvicinity.com/images....2489_4690.jpg
the relationship for a 1.6 AFM and a 1.8 MAF would, i imagine, be different from the rx-7 vs ford relationship...
http://www.globalvicinity.com/images....2489_4690.jpg
the relationship for a 1.6 AFM and a 1.8 MAF would, i imagine, be different from the rx-7 vs ford relationship...
So, you're pretty much looking at the same, inverse relationship. The numbers obviously won't be exactly the same as the RX-7 vs. Ford, but the procedure for arriving at the end result is identical.
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posting to subscribe 2 this thread i hateed look of the trap door 'AFM' too so ugly and out of place i have always loved look of the 94+ MAFs!! damn i wish ne1 thought of doing this swap before i did standalone that have saved me soooo much money but i'm no mechanic and dont no ecu maping so even if i did think of it i couldnt figure it out damn **** ******
let me no how it does
HKS FTW!!!!
let me no how it does
HKS FTW!!!!
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Where's Lazzer when we need him...
Yes, one difference between the MAF and the AFM is that the airflow-voltage curves are inverted. And that could be solved with a single op-amp.
However if you invert one of them and then plot the curves of the two devices on a flowbench, you'll find that they are not the equal. My observations of the 1.6 AFM indicate that it is non-linear, and I'd imagine that the 1.8 MAF has some surprises as well.
That page describing the conversion was pretty, but bordering on useless. The author simply glosses over some key subjects like "The easiest way to do this is to fix the intake air temperature and atmospheric pressure sensors at constant values of our choosing" and "After constructing the translation circuit..." without actually describing the circuits involved. It's obvious that they have constructed a working version of the circuit as they have the logs to prove it, but without providing a schematic the whole thing is academic.
I guess what it comes down to is this- why bother transplanting a 1.8 MAF onto a 1.6 car when you can simply remove the air metering device altogether. Both Megasquirt and EMU have the ability to do this, and the exact steps necessary have been fully documented in detail for both systems.
Yes, one difference between the MAF and the AFM is that the airflow-voltage curves are inverted. And that could be solved with a single op-amp.
However if you invert one of them and then plot the curves of the two devices on a flowbench, you'll find that they are not the equal. My observations of the 1.6 AFM indicate that it is non-linear, and I'd imagine that the 1.8 MAF has some surprises as well.
That page describing the conversion was pretty, but bordering on useless. The author simply glosses over some key subjects like "The easiest way to do this is to fix the intake air temperature and atmospheric pressure sensors at constant values of our choosing" and "After constructing the translation circuit..." without actually describing the circuits involved. It's obvious that they have constructed a working version of the circuit as they have the logs to prove it, but without providing a schematic the whole thing is academic.
I guess what it comes down to is this- why bother transplanting a 1.8 MAF onto a 1.6 car when you can simply remove the air metering device altogether. Both Megasquirt and EMU have the ability to do this, and the exact steps necessary have been fully documented in detail for both systems.
#36
look matey sum how i doubt it is out my leauge i do everything from mot's n service to ecu mapping i know wat im doing and if i put my mind to it could figure it out myself just thought that someone on here would of already had the same idea and of done the hard work so to speak
(or better yet, just stop replying to this thread)
#37
my argument is that this relationship is not a simple linear inversion. whoever decides they want to go through the trouble cannot just 'flip' the MAF voltage output to simulate the AFM voltage. The voltage needs to be fed through a nonlinear equation or look-up table.
after that is done, said (crazy) person has to fix the voltages for IAT and pressure in order to maintain the validity of the mapping.
in the end, i agree with others that going this route is pretty pointless. if the OP finds the afm ugly, then i personally think he should simply convert to MS and run a MAP based system.
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