Some Maxilube info...
12-15-2012, 11:14 PM
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Some Maxilube info...
I don't want anyone to think I'm spamming the forum with this product but I think maybe it could be a beneficial product for some of you guys. This product is a metal treatment and isn't used as a replacement for lubricants. It could be beneficial for engines, turbos, bearings and manual transmissions. My friend who knows the owner of the company told me that it works on sintered metal surfaces so it doesn't affect brass synchros or other non ferrous surfaces. It can also be used in automatic transmissions. The label does state not to use it in a LSD type rear end.
Anti friction metal treatment lubricants and additives for engines, gear bearings, etc. - MaxiLube.com
Anti friction metal treatment lubricants and additives for engines, gear bearings, etc. - MaxiLube.com
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12-16-2012, 09:42 AM
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Got anything of substance to add to this thread, Mr PHD chemist? Did you see the microscopic bearing photos and the fact that it was tested at Fresno State? Look, I'm not claiming that it's a miracle in a bottle that can reverse damage but anything that can reduce friction has a benefit for a longer life cycle.
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12-16-2012, 01:18 PM
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Got anything of substance to add to this thread, Mr PHD chemist? Did you see the microscopic bearing photos and the fact that it was tested at Fresno State? Look, I'm not claiming that it's a miracle in a bottle that can reverse damage but anything that can reduce friction has a benefit for a longer life cycle.
Wow! Fresno state!
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12-16-2012, 03:53 PM
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You guys do realize what extreme pressure agents are, don't you? B&M Synthetic Trick Shift contains some type of extreme pressure agent-would you guys classify that as snake oil as well? I put Synthetic Trick Shift in my T56 and it was an improvement over the Synchromesh that was in it previously. I think many gear oils contain some type of extreme pressure additive.
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12-16-2012, 04:44 PM
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because no one takes this stuff seriously. kinda like electric turbochargers and performance chips that add 60hp
you're getting butthurt that people don't take it seriously, which is kinda cute.
didn't you say a friend of yours works for them or something? or someone you know?
you're getting butthurt that people don't take it seriously, which is kinda cute.
didn't you say a friend of yours works for them or something? or someone you know?
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12-16-2012, 05:40 PM
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It's called the burden of proof. When you go before a jury, and make a claim, you (the state) must convince us (the jury) that your claim is true beyond a reasonable doubt. You provide a website that looks like something created in a early 90's high-school computer lab.
The most compelling "evidence", was the view of two "surfaces", claimed to be a bearing. The treated surface was noticeably smoother. However, the site references using 1000X magnification. What evidence is there to show that "smoothness" at this level has any applicable affects on component life? Ideally, engine components would be polished and machined at nearly frictionless finishes. However, this is not typical, due to mass production and associated costs of machining.
So, even if this product did provide a smoothing affect (and I'm not saying it doesn't), how do we know that it is "filling" enough to provide adequate protection in a modern motor? How do we know anything? We don't, and until you (or the manufacturer) can produce evidence that it does, the product is vapor-ware. Ever hear of electric superchargers, slick-50, water powered carburetors, etc.? Your claim is in the same boat. No real proof, thus, bullshit.
TL;DR
Zero proof exists in favor of the product, thus, until further testing is done, we must conclude that it does not have appreciable results.
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You're trolling. Thanks.
The most compelling "evidence", was the view of two "surfaces", claimed to be a bearing. The treated surface was noticeably smoother. However, the site references using 1000X magnification. What evidence is there to show that "smoothness" at this level has any applicable affects on component life? Ideally, engine components would be polished and machined at nearly frictionless finishes. However, this is not typical, due to mass production and associated costs of machining.
So, even if this product did provide a smoothing affect (and I'm not saying it doesn't), how do we know that it is "filling" enough to provide adequate protection in a modern motor? How do we know anything? We don't, and until you (or the manufacturer) can produce evidence that it does, the product is vapor-ware. Ever hear of electric superchargers, slick-50, water powered carburetors, etc.? Your claim is in the same boat. No real proof, thus, bullshit.
TL;DR
Zero proof exists in favor of the product, thus, until further testing is done, we must conclude that it does not have appreciable results.
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You're trolling. Thanks.
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12-16-2012, 06:51 PM
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That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
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12-16-2012, 07:07 PM
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That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
Send your **** to blackstone with analysis of before/after. Until then, TL/DR
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12-16-2012, 07:23 PM
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Here's some more info for all you assholios who know so much-learn teh google
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical
http://blog.sfrcorp.com/2007/06/21/e...oil-additives/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...98197308982710
http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf
http://www.engineersedge.com/lubrica..._additives.htm
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1974006030.pdf
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf
Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells.
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical
http://blog.sfrcorp.com/2007/06/21/e...oil-additives/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...98197308982710
http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf
http://www.engineersedge.com/lubrica..._additives.htm
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1974006030.pdf
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf
Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells.
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12-16-2012, 07:58 PM
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That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think.
Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme.
lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money.
Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already.
And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T ******* ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU ******* *******.
1) Change out your tranny fluid. There's probably some metal flakes in there. Seriously, that's a very low fluid level, and it needs a good flush
2) Any idea if this product can even handle tranny temperatures or is compatible with tranny fluid? Your syncros work on friction, and as we learned from Hustler posting about his fail-aids "lets reduce friction to help a weak syncro" thread, reducing friction is not ideal. This may be the last type of product you'd ever want in a gear box.
3) The claimed gains of the product; such as 0.50mpg, "Up to" 40* change in engine temp, and "doubles oil life", cannot be proven. .50 mpg is a margin of error. Hell, a tank of bad gas will drop your mileage more than that. Anything with "up to" in the title means no change (or an unintended negative change) is acceptable. "Doubles oil life", to what? Unless two motors are run at identical ranges, with identical everything, it can't be proven. Thus, it can be hard to sue with these types of wiggle words.
4) I find your posts usually informative, devils-advocate-ish, and having outside the box thinking; all things I support and feel are valuable. Based on how you normally post, and the nature of the product, it comes of as a troll or a sales pitch, TO ME. Just my opinion. Not trying to **** people off, just saying it seems quite out of character. Are you trolling? Only you'd know, it just seems like a weird product to try to defend.
5) Seriously, change your trans fluid.
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12-16-2012, 08:05 PM
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Here's some more info for all you assholios who know so much-learn teh google
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical
Extreme pressure agents in oil additives
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http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf
Extreme Pressure (EP) Lubrication Additives - Engineers Edge
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http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf
Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells.
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical
Extreme pressure agents in oil additives
An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf
Extreme Pressure (EP) Lubrication Additives - Engineers Edge
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http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf
Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells.
Are there possible benefits? Of course. Do they necessarily apply in anyway to a consumer automobile motor, let alone the the BP family, which is about as advanced, high tech, and high strung as a cactus? I have yet to be convinced.
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12-16-2012, 09:27 PM
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One specifically mentions engine parts that can benefit from EP additives. And considering that the Miata engine has a flat tappet cam I think it could be beneficial considering that oils have about 20%+ less ZDDP than they did in the past.Ya, I did drain the fluid a few weeks ago and add fresh fluid. I still need to top it off once I get a another quart of Amsoil Magic Super Juice.
And I was told Maxilube doesn't affect brass syncros. That was something that concerned me.
And generally, I'm pretty laid back but if people on this site are going to turn this place into a ******* flame fest every ******* post then I might as well flame the **** out of the ********* who pull this **** on this site. Some people on this site need a ******* shoe implanted in their down pipe.
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12-17-2012, 09:24 AM
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I could run run a collection sample from this under the confocal and pull the ANSI surface parameters (or ISO if you swing that way). And also F-test the relative area and surface complexity to see if the surfaces can actually be statistically differentiable. But its all pretty useless without knowing what surface properties are actually desirable and at what scale. Surface Metrology has been the focus of my grad research, btw.
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