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Old 06-13-2013, 11:43 AM
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4 deg caster, -1 camber, 0 toe. 185/60/14
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MT logic 101: Anyone that has any creature comforts in their daily driver is a huge vagina. You need to be tired, worn out, hot, and uncomfortable on your daily commute each and every day.

Its the only way
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Originally Posted by 18psi
MT logic 101: Anyone that has any creature comforts in their daily driver is a huge vagina. You need to be tired, worn out, hot, and uncomfortable on your daily commute each and every day.

Its the only way
I think it's more like: Anyone who bitches about steering effort under any circumstances on a tiny-*** light car that can't even fit more than 225 width tires on the street is a huge vagina.

I get more tired from masturbating than i do from turning the steering wheel on my daily driver. And masturbating is only about 30 seconds of light resistance high intensity work.
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Honestly it isnt even an issue my 55kg GF has never mentioned it and her new car has PS and she doesnt like it.

Its only about what you are used to.

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Originally Posted by concealer404
I think it's more like: Anyone who bitches about steering effort under any circumstances on a tiny-*** light car that can't even fit more than 225 width tires on the street is a huge vagina.

I get more tired from masturbating than i do from turning the steering wheel on my daily driver. And masturbating is only about 30 seconds of light resistance high intensity work.
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Originally Posted by vitamin j
Feels like ****, would rather just have the manual rack. Springy on the edges and tries to rip the wheel out of your hand in potholes. This thread is getting into brotruck territory with all the insecurity.
Sorry yours wasn't done correctly. I DD'd a depowered rack for 30k+ miles on everything from 185/60/14 to 225/45/15. Zero "rip the wheel out of your hand" feeling. I've driven manual rack cars and they felt identical, except for having to turn the wheel a lot more.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:12 PM
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I was worried about depowering mine to fit some low-mount efr goodness.

Then I DD-ed a depowered 94 for a month. If you try to drive it like it has power steering, you're gonna have a bad time. If you make sure to take nice wide turns and don't have to squeeze into tiny parallel parking spots, its no problem.
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Yeah but it's a DD so I want to be able to do a 6 pt turn in a tight parking lot while eating a burger and smoking a joint!

What's the proper procedure for unplugging the hose?
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Never driven a de-powered rack, but I've driven a few manual rack cars. I really don't get the arguments about "better road feel" -- the only difference I've really noticed is that 3 minutes of autoxing a manual rack car with 275 Hoosiers leaves my forearms aching.

They way I see it, if the car's got carpet and a stereo, leave the power steering alone.

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I was just forced to depower as my PS pump decided to puke its guts out. I disliked it for about a day. Then I loved it. Parking is more of a PITA and I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure parallel parking will be a bitch. That said, just driving around is more fun so its worth it.

On a side note, I have 225/45/15's, looped (haven't had time to do depower it properly), and a MOMO Monte Carlo wheel. The first corner I went through with any vigor was a weird one where I plowed and then the rear came around. It felt really weird and freaked me out for a while. I thought that my setup would make it take longer for me to countersteer and therefore dangerous. However, now that I've driven it more, that's not the case. It just takes some mental recalibration.
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Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
I was just forced to depower as my PS pump decided to puke its guts out. I disliked it for about a day. Then I loved it. Parking is more of a PITA and I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure parallel parking will be a bitch. That said, just driving around is more fun so its worth it.

On a side note, I have 225/45/15's, looped (haven't had time to do depower it properly), and a MOMO Monte Carlo wheel. The first corner I went through with any vigor was a weird one where I plowed and then the rear came around. It felt really weird and freaked me out for a while. I thought that my setup would make it take longer for me to countersteer and therefore dangerous. However, now that I've driven it more, that's not the case. It just takes some mental recalibration.
I think this is the big reason I did not like it when I drove Frank's car. I went from being able to do u-turns with 1 hand and my palm to having to really hold on to the wheel and put some effort into it. It is not that it was hard or taxing. It is just not something I was use to doing. For a daily driver though I see no reason to depower the car until I want to put an EFR on it with a low mount manifold.
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Originally Posted by vitamin j
Feels like ****, would rather just have the manual rack. Springy on the edges and tries to rip the wheel out of your hand in potholes. This thread is getting into brotruck territory with all the insecurity.


I daily an R package. 3.5* of caster, feels like power steering. A properly de-powered rack with reasonable caster would be easy to deal with. The amount of mis-information about how hard it is to drive, is borderline ridiculous. If you're dead-stopped, turning the wheel lock to lock is a bitch. Move at .1mph, it's easy.



Are people just this lazy now? Next you'll all be buying auto-tragic camrys.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
For a daily driver though I see no reason to depower the car until I want to put an EFR on it with a low mount manifold.
I've already built a lot mount efr with an excellent intake, downpipe and retaining everything including ac and ps.

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Originally Posted by nitrodann

I've already built a lot mount efr with an excellent intake, downpipe and retaining everything including ac and ps.

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Long tube?
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How fucked are you on arm day? I'll keep PS/AC because huge flappy gaping vagina. Per MT.net rules :P

Oh wait, do you even lift?
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
Long tube?
It emulates the stock turbo location almost exactly, and fits a stock heatshield the only way to do that is unequal length. Some are a foot long one is about half that.

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Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber


I daily an R package. 3.5* of caster, feels like power steering. A properly de-powered rack with reasonable caster would be easy to deal with. The amount of mis-information about how hard it is to drive, is borderline ridiculous. If you're dead-stopped, turning the wheel lock to lock is a bitch. Move at .1mph, it's easy.



Are people just this lazy now? Next you'll all be buying auto-tragic camrys.
I don't think I said anything at all about how hard it is to turn. What I said was that it feels like **** and jerks around more over bumps. With less leverage from the power rack's shorter ratio and without the power boost, simple physics says the tires will have an easier time of sending shocks through the steering wheel.

Yes, it feels exactly the same when you're moving and sucks at low speed, why are you removing it again?
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Originally Posted by concealer404
this may sound gay (but hey, this IS a Miata forum)... but i cant stop watching this GIF... it is so smooth and funny... looks like a dude wearing an oversized pair of dickies coveralls... like, an old slipknot uniform... and im jealous that i cant bend my fingertips like that...

that is all...
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