Got a quote from a shop (need some help in the NOVA area)
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Got a quote from a shop (need some help in the NOVA area)
I went to AMS in Maryland (very good shop, my freinds are very happy with the work there) and I asked for a quote on my miata for motor rebuild and turbo reuild. it includes pistons, rods, arp hardware, gasket kit, engine bearing, and machine work for the block as for the turbo it would be rebuild and balance. This includes a clutch and tuning of my megasquirt, all this came out to $5578.70. i was wondering if anyone in the area would know of another shop that could give me a better quote.
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what pistons and rods? what clutch?
I'd send the turbo out to Blaast or something on it's own.
The price isn't horrible, but that depends if this is just a refresh or if there is machine work involved.
I'd send the turbo out to Blaast or something on it's own.
The price isn't horrible, but that depends if this is just a refresh or if there is machine work involved.
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the quote didn't include what brand parts as a matter of fact i don't think it includes a clutch in there here's the break down
engine rebuilt (22 hours) 1870
pistons, rods, arp hardware, gaskit kit 1825
rebuilt turbo and balance 700
test and tune 350
block has machine work 400
engine bearings 200
engine rebuilt (22 hours) 1870
pistons, rods, arp hardware, gaskit kit 1825
rebuilt turbo and balance 700
test and tune 350
block has machine work 400
engine bearings 200
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http://flyinmiata.com/index.php?dept...umber=04-01000
you can always use that as your baseline. probably wont find better quality but you also shouldn't pay more than that. And I doubt they're doing all the performance upgrades FM would be doing standard.
The rebuilt turbo shouldn't be 700. You can get a new turbo for that.
you can always use that as your baseline. probably wont find better quality but you also shouldn't pay more than that. And I doubt they're doing all the performance upgrades FM would be doing standard.
The rebuilt turbo shouldn't be 700. You can get a new turbo for that.
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NV, you're not including any specifics man. How about telling us what brand names and model numbers of the parts you're buying. New genreic Topline pistons are about $40 each... while new Wiseco's can be $140 each. What kind of turbo is it? Specifically what ARP hardware? Does that also include any work done to the head?
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
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NV, you're not including any specifics man. How about telling us what brand names and model numbers of the parts you're buying. New genreic Topline pistons are about $40 each... while new Wiseco's can be $140 each. What kind of turbo is it? Specifically what ARP hardware? Does that also include any work done to the head?
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
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That price is reasonable for labor.... the hardware prices are a bit obscene though. Buy the hardware yourself, and rebuild the turbo for much cheaper.
Your shopping list should look like this:
Wiseco (or supertech I guess) Pistons (Raceeng.com) 430.00
ARP Studs - 80-100
Cat Rods (if they are even made anymore) 350
Head Gasket (95.00)
Can also talk to RP Performance @ summit point. Good work, but **** it takes a long time
Your shopping list should look like this:
Wiseco (or supertech I guess) Pistons (Raceeng.com) 430.00
ARP Studs - 80-100
Cat Rods (if they are even made anymore) 350
Head Gasket (95.00)
Can also talk to RP Performance @ summit point. Good work, but **** it takes a long time
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exactly, wisecos and etdracing.com rods comes out to something like $830. hell, even Pauter rods would be a $1109 combo, Carrillo H-beams $1299.
I promise, no gasket kit and ARP studs costs $1000.
I'm sure they are getting OEM parts from the dealer plus making money off the parts.
I promise, no gasket kit and ARP studs costs $1000.
I'm sure they are getting OEM parts from the dealer plus making money off the parts.
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$1800 in labor on that motor is ******* ridiculous. I paid $1100 for labor on my machine work and assembly with extra **** like tapping the pan twice, cleaning up the casting in the head, and a extra low balance.
Prices on hardware are ******* absurd too. $200 for bearings is equally stupid (I paid $80 for Mahle bearings for the complete motor, through the machinist).
I say find a less expensive shop.
Prices on hardware are ******* absurd too. $200 for bearings is equally stupid (I paid $80 for Mahle bearings for the complete motor, through the machinist).
I say find a less expensive shop.
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Ding.. 700 dollars.. wiseco pistons and k1 rods (look like Catco/ETD)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...spagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...spagenameZWDVW
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I went to AMS in Maryland (very good shop, my freinds are very happy with the work there) and I asked for a quote on my miata for motor rebuild and turbo reuild. it includes pistons, rods, arp hardware, gasket kit, engine bearing, and machine work for the block as for the turbo it would be rebuild and balance. This includes a clutch and tuning of my megasquirt, all this came out to $5578.70. i was wondering if anyone in the area would know of another shop that could give me a better quote.
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The only machine shop i can recommend is Fairfax Auto Parts on Lee highway in Fairfax. Or RP Performance in WV, they dont do their own machining, so it would be the best place to drop the car off with all your parts and have them do the grunt work.
The turbo I'd do myself or send to a turbo specific shop like Blaast.
tuning, I do it myself. But I'm not sure what shops are fluent in MS around here....not like it's terribly different from any other software.
The turbo I'd do myself or send to a turbo specific shop like Blaast.
tuning, I do it myself. But I'm not sure what shops are fluent in MS around here....not like it's terribly different from any other software.
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NV, you're not including any specifics man. How about telling us what brand names and model numbers of the parts you're buying. New genreic Topline pistons are about $40 each... while new Wiseco's can be $140 each. What kind of turbo is it? Specifically what ARP hardware? Does that also include any work done to the head?
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
$700 is absolutely absurd for a turbo rebuild/balance... even for a BB turbo. You can buy a brand new T3 for that.
At face value, it seems like way too much unless every single part is completely top-of-the-line and you're taking it to some famous guy who charges a ****-ton of money for his famous name.
Here's what I discovered a couple months ago when I priced a mild build:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15045
Your guy wants $1870 for what my guy wanted $400 for.
I simply can't believe it would take a pro 22hrs to assemble a 4cyl motor.
Post #53 should peak your interest.
That price is reasonable for labor.... the hardware prices are a bit obscene though. Buy the hardware yourself, and rebuild the turbo for much cheaper.
Your shopping list should look like this:
Wiseco (or supertech I guess) Pistons (Raceeng.com) 430.00
ARP Studs - 80-100
Cat Rods (if they are even made anymore) 350
Head Gasket (95.00)
Can also talk to RP Performance @ summit point. Good work, but **** it takes a long time
Your shopping list should look like this:
Wiseco (or supertech I guess) Pistons (Raceeng.com) 430.00
ARP Studs - 80-100
Cat Rods (if they are even made anymore) 350
Head Gasket (95.00)
Can also talk to RP Performance @ summit point. Good work, but **** it takes a long time
The only machine shop i can recommend is Fairfax Auto Parts on Lee highway in Fairfax. Or RP Performance in WV, they dont do their own machining, so it would be the best place to drop the car off with all your parts and have them do the grunt work.
The turbo I'd do myself or send to a turbo specific shop like Blaast.
tuning, I do it myself. But I'm not sure what shops are fluent in MS around here....not like it's terribly different from any other software.
The turbo I'd do myself or send to a turbo specific shop like Blaast.
tuning, I do it myself. But I'm not sure what shops are fluent in MS around here....not like it's terribly different from any other software.
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