Here we go again. Morons at that MSM forum
02-24-2009, 10:29 PM
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Why would I be insecure? I only own one miata, never thought I ever would, I always thought they were girly cars. Anyone driving a miata should not be insecure, if I was I wouldn't own a miata. I don't think a miata is the super car of the world like many of you. It's just a cool little car to have some fun with from time to time. I own several other cars. 
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02-24-2009, 10:34 PM
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I think hustler made it pretty damn clear. you can't distinguish between power levels and you can't hear knock. we're talking about tuning the engine only here. not shock adjustments. not tire pressures.
engine management.
let me call *LARGE CAR MANUFACTURER NAME* and see which track they use to fine tune their engines....
the funny part about that thread is that QQQQ got all defensive when I made a jab at newbsauce and the other miataturbo guys for their shitty street tuning skills. I street tune all the time. I took datalogs to and from work tonight and changed my fuel and spark maps at work for the drive home. i'm a ******* miracle worker without a dyno, but I'm still going to use the dyno to verify that my changes had a positive impact.
**** man, you can't rejet a 67 camaro double pumper based on the lope of the god damn idle and expect it to be optimum. no matter what drag strip you are at. even if you manage to optimize your ET, how do you know you dont have a big flat spot somewhere? are you getting a constant stream of ETs for every foot of those 1320? I commend the dude with the datalog system that has that feature. maybe some guy with 3 atoms and a miata has that. he's got everything else (or so we are supposed to envy).
my point in my post was to let you know that you are not the source of our exasperation for that thread. but you come here and defend it. hence you represent that thread and everyone you agree with there.
I have to wonder... when you guys compare dicks, do you just type out how long it looks and corroborate it with "well it sticks out pretty far past my hand and I think I have pretty big hands" instead of putting it on a ruler?
engine management.
let me call *LARGE CAR MANUFACTURER NAME* and see which track they use to fine tune their engines....
the funny part about that thread is that QQQQ got all defensive when I made a jab at newbsauce and the other miataturbo guys for their shitty street tuning skills. I street tune all the time. I took datalogs to and from work tonight and changed my fuel and spark maps at work for the drive home. i'm a ******* miracle worker without a dyno, but I'm still going to use the dyno to verify that my changes had a positive impact.
**** man, you can't rejet a 67 camaro double pumper based on the lope of the god damn idle and expect it to be optimum. no matter what drag strip you are at. even if you manage to optimize your ET, how do you know you dont have a big flat spot somewhere? are you getting a constant stream of ETs for every foot of those 1320? I commend the dude with the datalog system that has that feature. maybe some guy with 3 atoms and a miata has that. he's got everything else (or so we are supposed to envy).
my point in my post was to let you know that you are not the source of our exasperation for that thread. but you come here and defend it. hence you represent that thread and everyone you agree with there.
I have to wonder... when you guys compare dicks, do you just type out how long it looks and corroborate it with "well it sticks out pretty far past my hand and I think I have pretty big hands" instead of putting it on a ruler?
Dude, all the dick comparing is here, many of those guys don't know **** and dont mind saying it. Very few people here will do that. You just did a lot of typing for nothing. How many times do I have to say "tuning on a dyno is awesone"! I DON"T DISAGREE!!! But in many cases, for many people, close is good enough. I can agree with you and see your point, but you can't see mine.
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02-25-2009, 08:46 AM
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I also find it funny that some of you stupid ************* get a ******* miata and finally figure out how to turn a wrench or two, and all of a sudden you are automotive geniuses. Hustler, you should really STFU, you don't know **** with that POS raggady *** **** you have..Is this you first build?
I should have put $$$ toward a stock msm.
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02-25-2009, 09:34 AM
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Seriously, msydnor, I'm all for MSM owners and "regular" Miata owners getting along (why shouldn't we, after all?), but your words are only deepening whatever divide exists. Somehow someone doesn't know anything because their car lacks a color-keyed rear view mirror and matching floormats? That doesn't make any sense.
BTW - my first build was a Civic (CRX actually), why would that make me any less knowledgeable than someone who came to Miatas from Muscle, Euros, etc? My CRX was just as nice as my Miata, just wrong-wheel-drive and n/a.
BTW - my first build was a Civic (CRX actually), why would that make me any less knowledgeable than someone who came to Miatas from Muscle, Euros, etc? My CRX was just as nice as my Miata, just wrong-wheel-drive and n/a.
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02-25-2009, 10:05 AM
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Dude, all the dick comparing is here, many of those guys don't know **** and dont mind saying it. Very few people here will do that. You just did a lot of typing for nothing. How many times do I have to say "tuning on a dyno is awesone"! I DON"T DISAGREE!!! But in many cases, for many people, close is good enough. I can agree with you and see your point, but you can't see mine.
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02-25-2009, 10:29 AM
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msyndor,
I haven't entered this conversations until now and will avoid insults. I think the issue is simply this:
The thread at the MSM forum was about acheiving 300hp+ with a miata engine. That is certainly not an easy feat, but it has been done. Certainly, anyone that has reached the 300+ mark has done some serious tuning regardless of street or dyno if they expect their engine to last. While 300+hp may be no sweat for say an LS1 engine, it certainly is pushing a miata engine very close to it's limits or at least way beyond what it was designed for even in the gtx. So, in a thread where the OP is talking about pushing an engine to it's limits, it does seem a bit foolish for anyone to recommend street tuning over dyno tuning. If this were simply a discussion about not dynoing an out of the box FM kit, then certainly, not every owner needs to dyno tune, but if you are going to push things to the bleeding edge and only rely on street tuning, I certainly would call that person a moron, unless it was an issue of finances, but then again, a blown engine costs more than dyno time.
I haven't entered this conversations until now and will avoid insults. I think the issue is simply this:
The thread at the MSM forum was about acheiving 300hp+ with a miata engine. That is certainly not an easy feat, but it has been done. Certainly, anyone that has reached the 300+ mark has done some serious tuning regardless of street or dyno if they expect their engine to last. While 300+hp may be no sweat for say an LS1 engine, it certainly is pushing a miata engine very close to it's limits or at least way beyond what it was designed for even in the gtx. So, in a thread where the OP is talking about pushing an engine to it's limits, it does seem a bit foolish for anyone to recommend street tuning over dyno tuning. If this were simply a discussion about not dynoing an out of the box FM kit, then certainly, not every owner needs to dyno tune, but if you are going to push things to the bleeding edge and only rely on street tuning, I certainly would call that person a moron, unless it was an issue of finances, but then again, a blown engine costs more than dyno time.
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02-25-2009, 12:23 PM
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Seriously, msydnor, I'm all for MSM owners and "regular" Miata owners getting along (why shouldn't we, after all?), but your words are only deepening whatever divide exists. Somehow someone doesn't know anything because their car lacks a color-keyed rear view mirror and matching floormats? That doesn't make any sense.
BTW - my first build was a Civic (CRX actually), why would that make me any less knowledgeable than someone who came to Miatas from Muscle, Euros, etc? My CRX was just as nice as my Miata, just wrong-wheel-drive and n/a.
BTW - my first build was a Civic (CRX actually), why would that make me any less knowledgeable than someone who came to Miatas from Muscle, Euros, etc? My CRX was just as nice as my Miata, just wrong-wheel-drive and n/a.
My words? thats my point all along, folks here try and differentiat MSM from other miata owners. They're all miata's, yes you are right, it makes no sense, that why I usually speal up when I see folks here doing it. BTW, I did a honda civic build back in 2000. It was a fun project. I like all cars for the most part.
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02-25-2009, 12:32 PM
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msyndor,
I haven't entered this conversations until now and will avoid insults. I think the issue is simply this:
The thread at the MSM forum was about acheiving 300hp+ with a miata engine. That is certainly not an easy feat, but it has been done. Certainly, anyone that has reached the 300+ mark has done some serious tuning regardless of street or dyno if they expect their engine to last. While 300+hp may be no sweat for say an LS1 engine, it certainly is pushing a miata engine very close to it's limits or at least way beyond what it was designed for even in the gtx. So, in a thread where the OP is talking about pushing an engine to it's limits, it does seem a bit foolish for anyone to recommend street tuning over dyno tuning. If this were simply a discussion about not dynoing an out of the box FM kit, then certainly, not every owner needs to dyno tune, but if you are going to push things to the bleeding edge and only rely on street tuning, I certainly would call that person a moron, unless it was an issue of finances, but then again, a blown engine costs more than dyno time.
I haven't entered this conversations until now and will avoid insults. I think the issue is simply this:
The thread at the MSM forum was about acheiving 300hp+ with a miata engine. That is certainly not an easy feat, but it has been done. Certainly, anyone that has reached the 300+ mark has done some serious tuning regardless of street or dyno if they expect their engine to last. While 300+hp may be no sweat for say an LS1 engine, it certainly is pushing a miata engine very close to it's limits or at least way beyond what it was designed for even in the gtx. So, in a thread where the OP is talking about pushing an engine to it's limits, it does seem a bit foolish for anyone to recommend street tuning over dyno tuning. If this were simply a discussion about not dynoing an out of the box FM kit, then certainly, not every owner needs to dyno tune, but if you are going to push things to the bleeding edge and only rely on street tuning, I certainly would call that person a moron, unless it was an issue of finances, but then again, a blown engine costs more than dyno time.
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