Mazdaspeed Miatas are a bargain!
#22
How do the MSM's hold up on track?
I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
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How do the MSM's hold up on track?
I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
#28
To the OP: I have an MSM. I see the good and the bad.
The good, as others explained:
- you get some stronger parts vs. regular NB, plus better suspension
- you get the (in my opinion) nicer bodywork plus the MS interior style
- you get the warranty on a turbo car (all expired by now however)
The bad, as I personally experienced:
- ECU tune is a pathetic joke + 6500 rev limit
- turbo can do 230rwhp, but it takes 15 psi
- downpipe/exhaust are terrible
- intercooler is a laughingstock
- intake / BOV are terrible
Finally: that "Little Enchilada" doesn't give you 200 rwhp. That is a B.S. claim by people who test with questionable dynos and/or have unsafe boost with lousy tunes and/or they're just full of ****. Reality check: L.E. kit gives you approx. 180-190 rwhp.
However, with all the same L.E. parts but using an Aburdflow 3" turboback instead of FM's downpipe and exhaust, my car dyno'd at 213 rwhp at approx. 12 psi.
Deciding factor in favor of MSM: when I drove an NA, women said, "It's so cute!" and that was all .... when I got the NB/MSM, it helped me get laid more often. A lot of non-car people think it's a much more upscale sports car than a lowly regular Miata.
The good, as others explained:
- you get some stronger parts vs. regular NB, plus better suspension
- you get the (in my opinion) nicer bodywork plus the MS interior style
- you get the warranty on a turbo car (all expired by now however)
The bad, as I personally experienced:
- ECU tune is a pathetic joke + 6500 rev limit
- turbo can do 230rwhp, but it takes 15 psi
- downpipe/exhaust are terrible
- intercooler is a laughingstock
- intake / BOV are terrible
Finally: that "Little Enchilada" doesn't give you 200 rwhp. That is a B.S. claim by people who test with questionable dynos and/or have unsafe boost with lousy tunes and/or they're just full of ****. Reality check: L.E. kit gives you approx. 180-190 rwhp.
However, with all the same L.E. parts but using an Aburdflow 3" turboback instead of FM's downpipe and exhaust, my car dyno'd at 213 rwhp at approx. 12 psi.
Deciding factor in favor of MSM: when I drove an NA, women said, "It's so cute!" and that was all .... when I got the NB/MSM, it helped me get laid more often. A lot of non-car people think it's a much more upscale sports car than a lowly regular Miata.
#32
People aren't selling their 10AE's for less than $6500 or so, are they? I added up the costs of what I think I (not someone else) would probably pay for upgrading the parts, some new parts, mostly used parts. That was $4000 or so, including the clutch.
So, $5000 for the car plus $4000 is $9000 total. For another $1500 I could get a car with the 6 speed tranny, better brakes, fresher paint (paint jobs are expensive), and those ghetto-fabulous wheels (don't like them), and not have to wait for a fairly quick car. Granted, a stock MSM isn't as fast as the $9000 turbo'd NB. For an extra $1000 in upgrades though, the MSM could be made as fast as the kit I'd put together. While I'm driving the stock MSM and getting used to it, I'd have enough patience piece together the upgrades, over a year or less.
#33
Where are you located? Prices are very dependent on that. If I go down to NM the same car is about 2500 less in most cases.
Just buy the 6 speed that FM has for sale in their salvage section (or like 4 5 speeds as spares) and all of 18 psi's stuff on the for sale. That and a late 90s car and you are good.
Just buy the 6 speed that FM has for sale in their salvage section (or like 4 5 speeds as spares) and all of 18 psi's stuff on the for sale. That and a late 90s car and you are good.
#35
low miles 1997 Mazda Miata
SHARP MAZDA MIATA MX-5, CONVERTIBLE, LEATHER, "RUBY RED"
I kind of see your point. Neither are 6spds. But they are both well below 6K asking price.
1999 Mazda Miata MX5
Nice one in Birmingham for 4500.
If 99s were that cheap around here I would **** myself.
SHARP MAZDA MIATA MX-5, CONVERTIBLE, LEATHER, "RUBY RED"
I kind of see your point. Neither are 6spds. But they are both well below 6K asking price.
1999 Mazda Miata MX5
Nice one in Birmingham for 4500.
If 99s were that cheap around here I would **** myself.
#36
come buy my piece of ****
$4000-6 speed
im done with these *** cars
time to go back to Volvo
= ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzLEeRxVaE
= win
0:44 for some FWD ownage
$4000-6 speed
im done with these *** cars
time to go back to Volvo
= ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzLEeRxVaE
= win
0:44 for some FWD ownage
Last edited by scandmx5; 04-04-2010 at 01:46 AM.