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Old 09-08-2014, 08:56 AM   #381
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Almost every turbo subaru knocks from the factory on 91. Thats why the owners manual says 93 minimum. I'm surprised they even sell them in shitty states that dont offer proper gasoline.
meanwhile Ford makes turbo cars and 500hp v8s using 87 octane.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:59 AM   #382
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that rear is so ugly.


Why do designers continue to design in fake bumpers? this isn't 1950 anymore. cars don't have big chrome bumpers bolted to them anymore.
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:11 AM   #383
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I think it looks rad. Would buy, when I can get one for less than 10k
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:33 AM   #384
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Makes me glad my daily gets 48 mpg so I don't feel guilty hooning in the Miata constantly.

The cool thing is that I averaged 30 mpg on the way down to MRLS. Probably could do better when I get the cruise control installed.
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:20 PM   #385
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Gordon thanks for that straight-on rear shot. I have never looked at it from that angle and... I don't like that view.

Love the rest of it though. I feel like its more of a natural progression from the NB in the nose, almost like the bloaty-looking NC never existed.
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:22 PM   #386
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Keep in mind the wide FOV in the photo exaggerates how bulbous the rear end it.
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:39 PM   #387
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Remember, it's a stock powered Miata, so not many cars will be seeing it from behind
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:44 PM   #388
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that rear is so ugly.


Why do designers continue to design in fake bumpers? this isn't 1950 anymore. cars don't have big chrome bumpers bolted to them anymore.
Because legal and DOT.

As someone who has actually designed a car, I'm going to give Derek Jenkins and crew some serious latitude, as these guys need to satisfy not only U.S. corporate but Japan too. THAT is a tall order for something as petty as a shift ****, let alone and entire car.

The ND is a wider car, which is why I think the designers pinched the back and put the taillights closer together. They're fooling the eye into thinking that you're not looking at a squat, wide pug of a car.

Bottom line for me is this is my favorite MX-5. By far. Under the skin they're doing what Porsche has done for decades, which is improve on a good design. Outside they've put a modern skin on the car with some classic references, and dropped 100Kg.

Finally, all you guys who say it looks like a BMW, or BRZ, or Jaguar (whatever)...good cars share proper proportions. There's only so much change you can do to a car to make it look good, without making it look wrong. FWIW if the 250TR came out now, it would be universally panned as ugly. Designs build on other designs, and the reference to other cars is part of why people say, "Oh, they did it better than XYZ."
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:56 PM   #389
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I was there...

ND reveal in Barcelona
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:57 PM   #390
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Because legal and DOT.

As someone who has actually designed a car, I'm going to give Derek Jenkins and crew some serious latitude, as these guys need to satisfy not only U.S. corporate but Japan too. THAT is a tall order for something as petty as a shift ****, let alone and entire car.

The ND is a wider car, which is why I think the designers pinched the back and put the taillights closer together. They're fooling the eye into thinking that you're not looking at a squat, wide pug of a car.

Bottom line for me is this is my favorite MX-5. By far. Under the skin they're doing what Porsche has done for decades, which is improve on a good design. Outside they've put a modern skin on the car with some classic references, and dropped 100Kg.

Finally, all you guys who say it looks like a BMW, or BRZ, or Jaguar (whatever)...good cars share proper proportions. There's only so much change you can do to a car to make it look good, without making it look wrong. FWIW if the 250TR came out now, it would be universally panned as ugly. Designs build on other designs, and the reference to other cars is part of why people say, "Oh, they did it better than XYZ."
I wish I could give you more than 1 prop for that post.

Amen
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Old 09-08-2014, 01:01 PM   #391
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I think this article explains it very well.

The Mathematics Of Beauty « OkTrends
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Old 09-08-2014, 05:17 PM   #392
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that rear is so ugly.


Why do designers continue to design in fake bumpers? this isn't 1950 anymore. cars don't have big chrome bumpers bolted to them anymore.
my rear bumper actually saved my *** at the track this weekend. Backing it up into a tirewall at 15mph with a bumper and Styrofoam means no damage to anything (other than the bumper of course).

I didn't really see anything fake in the picture other than the jut, which is useful in low speed crashes. its not that nice to look at, but it might save you when little Brittney is texting in stop & go traffic.
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Old 09-08-2014, 05:25 PM   #393
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Completely keyless trunk on this one? Hmm.
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I think all mazdas are that way now. My 2012 2 is and it is kind of irritating. Especially since mazda only gave me one remote key and I let my wife have that one.
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Completely keyless trunk on this one? Hmm.
360° Reversal from the original car which didnt even have a keyless entry to the trunk.
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360° Reversal from the original car which didnt even have a keyless entry to the trunk.
Sure you don't mean 720, or 1080?
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When Mazda saw that rear end they turned 360 degrees and walked away
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All this talk about turning 360 degrees? If you were looking at the car and saw the rear end and turned 360 degrees to walk away, you would walk directly into the car. A 360* "reversal" from the original car would have seen an initial car with key only entry, followed by a car with keyless only entry, and would have come back to a car with a key only entry.

The correct term is "did a complete 180". In this case, "a complete 360" is an exaggeration of the term, which ironically means the exact opposite of the term being exaggerated. I was going to let it go as trolling (it looks like niklas has it figured out) but "I can't stands for this no more!"

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When Mazda saw that rear end they turned 360 degrees and walked away
... right into the rear end of the car.
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Let's keep the level a clear notch over the Mnet overexplaineverythingorthenoobswillflameus.

How will you bolt in a rollbar on the ND?
Similar to the NC or even worse?

The fastback fixed coupé will not have that problem of course, but that one will not be the volume.
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