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Old 09-12-2014, 12:33 PM   #441
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I don't mind buying "under powered" daily drivers. It just makes the turbo Miata feel so much more fun on the weekends. full economy and comfort are my two biggest criteria for DD cars. That and having enough power to not struggle to much going up hills.
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Kia can manage 130hp from their 1.6L NA engine. I am sure Mazda could pull out 128hp from a 1.5L. It would blow my mind if a modern engine with DI and 13:1 compression was only putting out 66hp/L (100bhp).
I don't doubt that they could. Just seems unlikely that they would. If you are building an engine aiming for 100hp, turning it up by 30% just seems so unlikely. Reliability and longevity considered here...
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We all know what happens when Mazda tries to be clever (see: current Skyactiv-D, rotaries, etc).
Supercharged Atkinson Millenia comes to mind as well. And rotating port valves on the 6 port 13b, and the Amazing Exploding Renesis engines.

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I don't mind buying "under powered" daily drivers. It just makes the turbo Miata feel so much more fun on the weekends. full economy and comfort are my two biggest criteria for DD cars. That and having enough power to not struggle to much going up hills.
But Mazda could do so much better in the American market if the car was more than just "adequate" at full throttle. If it was adequate at 60 percent throttle and "wow, that's quick" at full throttle, what would be the harm? I can only see where that would help their sales.
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But Mazda could do so much better in the American market if the car was more than just "adequate" at full throttle. If it was adequate at 60 percent throttle and "wow, that's quick" at full throttle, what would be the harm? I can only see where that would help their sales.
The difference would probably be like 3-5k in starting price though.
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Old 09-12-2014, 01:38 PM   #445
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The difference would probably be like 3-5k in starting price though.
^This, and more than likely some fuel economy.
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Old 09-12-2014, 02:30 PM   #446
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How was it botched?
In terms of the US market, the fact that it never arrived.

Promised, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed until further notice. To quote a Mazda rep, "we avoid [questions about the diesel] like the plague."

Have you SEEN the 6 wagon diesel? If it were here, I WOULD buy one.
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Old 09-12-2014, 02:38 PM   #447
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They've been having reliability issues, like huge ones. It doesn't use urea injection and they tried to do something clever and it blew up in their faces.

I think that owners are being advised to check their oil at every fill-up and they have to change the oil super frequently. Something like 3k miles on 0W20 oil. It's been semi-well documented.
IDK how all the stupid internet conspiracy theories about the diesel comes to life, buth the simple truth is that Mazda does not believe the US consumer wants to buy a diesel.

It is by far the most sold engine option in Europe, and any issues would be well documented.
20Kkm or once a year oil change interval. I have one.
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In terms of the US market, the fact that it never arrived.

Promised, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed until further notice. To quote a Mazda rep, "we avoid [questions about the diesel] like the plague."

Have you SEEN the 6 wagon diesel? If it were here, I WOULD buy one.
We were seriously considering replacing my wife's TDI with one. It certainly cannot be less reliable than that car is.

The Skyactiv D is a pretty radical engine though, I think it has less static compression than their gas engine. I hear that railroads are having similar problems with their low compression high speed engines as well.
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:14 PM   #449
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IDK how all the stupid internet conspiracy theories about the diesel comes to life, buth the simple truth is that Mazda does not believe the US consumer wants to buy a diesel.

It is by far the most sold engine option in Europe, and any issues would be well documented.
20Kkm or once a year oil change interval. I have one.
It was with the CX-5 and a diesel particulate filter fouling the oil. There's a bunch of .au sites that have issues and press releases.

It's not a conspiracy to say "I want a turbo diesel Mazda6, but Mazda's been having issues with their motor technology". I would think that once the Mazda6 gets a mid-cycle refresh, there's a nonzero chance that it'll come with a revised motor and possibly be for sale in Etats-Uni~.
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:23 PM   #450
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As i raise my beer i say:

"Here's to hoping Mazda is trolling us all. They will be giving us a 1.6l engine with a itty bitty turbo that produces a healthy 180whp all while netting us 35+ mpg highway. No turbo lag, plenty of low end torque, and all for around $23,000."


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Old 09-12-2014, 05:29 PM   #451
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It's just too bad it's wrong wheel drive.

Fantastic car though. If I were in the market for a new hatchback and I decided against the TDI, I'd go with the Fiesta ST. Winner.
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It's just too bad it's wrong wheel drive.

Fantastic car though. If I were in the market for a new hatchback and I decided against the TDI, I'd go with the Fiesta ST. Winner.
If I didn't enjoy wrenching on cars that's what I would get. My friend has one and it's very grippy in bone stock form and is fun to drive.
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It was with the CX-5 and a diesel particulate filter fouling the oil. There's a bunch of .au sites that have issues and press releases.

It's not a conspiracy to say "I want a turbo diesel Mazda6, but Mazda's been having issues with their motor technology". I would think that once the Mazda6 gets a mid-cycle refresh, there's a nonzero chance that it'll come with a revised motor and possibly be for sale in Etats-Uni~.
I know all about this. Dilution of engine oil by fuel from the regeneration process. Totally normal with modern diesels with particulate filters. With the numbers of Skyactiv D sold there would be a huge deal if it was a real problem. Not just some internet heroes upset by rising engine oil levels. I have heard of no engine failures...
There has also been a recall to adress this. Replaces a pressure sensor in the exhaust system and reprogram of the ecu.

Funny how all other markets than NA is getting diesels. That makes me certain that the problem is the consumers, cheap gasoline and not a "botched" engine design...
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FOR THE RECORD...

I never said they botched the design.

They botched it for the US by not bringing it here.

Also, that sounds like a pretty big deal.
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When did FM announce a coilover kit?
Keith mentioned it to me a few months ago, but they officially announced at Miata even weekend before last.

FOX $1700 including new front top hats (reuse existing rears), they are working on the final valving setup now.

He also mentioned FOX will revalve the shocks for free in the first 90 days if you aren't happy.
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Motortrend "reported" that the ND is getting the 1.5L for at least a year before an optional engine opens up.

I put scare quotes around "reported" as a reminder that car magazines had to step up their bullshit fabrication game when blogs started to poach their territory. Car magazines are the printed version of the kid down the street's uncle who totally works at Nintendo. Mnet is freaking out because of course they are.

I'm waiting until the Paris Auto Show for any new information.
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I'll believe it when i see it.

Then again, 1.5l with FI.
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Motortrend "reported" that the ND is getting the 1.5L for at least a year before an optional engine opens up.

I put scare quotes around "reported" as a reminder that car magazines had to step up their bullshit fabrication game when blogs started to poach their territory. Car magazines are the printed version of the kid down the street's uncle who totally works at Nintendo. Mnet is freaking out because of course they are.

I'm waiting until the Paris Auto Show for any new information.
I saw that, and 130hp. I think that would be a huge mistake.
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Oi.

People, it's going to have more than 130hp. It has to. Even notoriously underpowered Mazda isn't dumb enough to do that in the US market. There's no way.

Is there?

I'm sure it'll be available with that engine in other markets, but I can't see them doing it here.
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Mazda knows NA/NB owners are more likely to buy in to the ND than they were the NC. There is no way they are releasing the car with nearly identical power and weight numbers as an NA8.
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