miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something) - Page 28 - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-06-2014, 05:23 AM   #541
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Portugal
Posts: 108
Total Cats: 24
Default

Just so that you guys can have a idea of the things around here (Portugal)7

Miata 2.0 PHRT base price : 24,800 / 31,102 USD

VAT: 7,315 / 9,173 USD

ISV (another tax based on the CC and CO2) : 7,007 / 8,787 USD

Total: 39,122 / 49,061 USD

And now the shocking part.

Average salary in Portugal: 984 / 1,234 USD

Filipe Dias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 06:17 AM   #542
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,359
Total Cats: 56
Default

If I take the list prices here (with all taxes included, don't care to separate them)
Cheapest 1.8 softtop $30k
Cheapest 2.0 PHRT $40k

Cooper S cabrio is $35k

Removing sales tax for comparison gives $24k, $32k and $28k respectively.

I would hope that ND is priced about the same as the NC, the improvements is just to improve the product, not to make it go elsewhere on the the premium/sporty scales.

Edit: I could have read the guesstimates from the Paris show...
ND 1.5 with 130bhp, $26.5k before sales tax. Extrapolating would mean the 2.0 would be around $35k, spot on the Cooper S Cabrio.

Last edited by NiklasFalk; 10-06-2014 at 10:08 AM.
NiklasFalk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 04:13 PM   #543
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,009
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect View Post
I'm taking it with a grain of salt because it's a random dude off of mnet that isn't Mark Booth.
I will as well.

If those numbers are true, I suspect it will be a huge sales flop.
z31maniac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 04:35 PM   #544
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 899
Total Cats: 57
Default

Also the dude reporting it, along with a few other people, are laying it thick with the NC love and how the NC is the best Miata, etc.

One of them balked at the price and then mentioned his 25AE in the next sentence (the MSRP was $32k).
Dunning Kruger Affect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 05:52 PM   #545
Elite Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA
Posts: 2,566
Total Cats: 11
Default

Man, what the hell? I was hoping for Focus ST prices, not Mustang V8! The 155hp, maybe I can overlook depending on how it drives. But over $30K for a base soft top?? I can swing $23-25k out the door, but $31-32k when all is said and done? Doesn't the 2014 start around $23,xxx? Why such a boost in price?

If they don't sell any new ones then I am screwed on buying a 3 year old, ~$15-17k miata :(.
cardriverx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 05:53 PM   #546
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7,237
Total Cats: 554
Default

I don't know about MSRP, but locally i can get a Club PRHT out the door for about $26k.

Have considered it. Many times. The NC3 is such a nice car.
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 05:55 PM   #547
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Erat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Detroit
Posts: 3,881
Total Cats: 219
Default

What's happened with this thread, it's turned into m.net.

Where are the hard facts and supporting evidence?

Is any of this even f'real?
Erat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2014, 11:49 PM   #548
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,968
Total Cats: 50
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EO2K View Post
If the above is to be believed

ND ~ 155hp/148ft-lbs ~ 2300lbs ~ $30,000

And they are comparing it to...

Cooper S Convertible ~ 181hp/177ft-lbs ~2800lbs ~ $28,700
BMW Z4 sDrive28i ~240hp/260ft-lbs ~3300lbs~ $48,950
Scion FRS ~ 200hp/151ft-lbs ~ 2758lbs ~ $25,470
Audi TT ~ 211hp/258ft-lbs ~ 3340lbs ~ $43,350

(These are "starting at" MSRP prices and specs from the manufacturers websites for current models, so I assume 2015 at this point in the year)

I did some meaningless quickie back of the napkin calculations...

Dollars per HP:
ND - $193.5/hp
CS - $158.6/hp
Z4 - $203.9/hp
FRS - $127.3/hp
TT - $205.4/hp

Power to weight (hp/lbs):
ND - 0.067
CS - 0.065
Z4 - 0.073
FRS - 0.073
TT - 0.063

Then Mazda has a LOT of work to do
fails to measure the fun per dollar. No miata has ever been a value HP car.

Someone with more time has already compared miata prices adjusted for inflation. The NC is cheaper than the original. I wouldn't be surprised if the ND pretty close to that. I would seem Mazda isn't piling on the profit margin (or at least not by increasing the cost to the customer).

Obviously there maybe more attractive cars now (depending on what you want), but the Miata has never really looked spectacular on paper.
Seefo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 01:42 AM   #549
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Mobius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 2,776
Total Cats: 205
Default

Once it has an LT1 in it nobody will car and Jeremy Clarkson will spooge himself.
Mobius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 02:16 AM   #550
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
cordycord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,709
Total Cats: 125
Default

My brand new Motor Trend from today has new pictures of the MX5, confirms the weight drop and says that the engine will be a....they don't say.

Again for me, SkyActiv technology is phenomenal but it remains to be seen how easy it will be to add performance.
cordycord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 09:01 AM   #551
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,968
Total Cats: 50
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cordycord View Post
My brand new Motor Trend from today has new pictures of the MX5, confirms the weight drop and says that the engine will be a....they don't say.

Again for me, SkyActiv technology is phenomenal but it remains to be seen how easy it will be to add performance.
I thought Mazda confirmed the 2.0 for America in Paris?
Seefo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 10:12 AM   #552
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 899
Total Cats: 57
Default

They did, cordycord has a hard time reading. I mentioned that on page 25 or 26.
Dunning Kruger Affect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 12:24 PM   #553
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3,325
Total Cats: 231
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect View Post
They did, cordycord has a hard time reading. I mentioned that on page 25 or 26.
Tough to see through that Cali smog
thenuge26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 12:30 PM   #554
Destroyer of Inconel
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: In ur driveway, abusin' ur WPA
Posts: 8,732
Total Cats: 746
Default

We're all distracted by the high speed rail euphoria.
EO2K is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 02:05 PM   #555
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 899
Total Cats: 57
Default

I want to ride the 新幹線 so bad.
Dunning Kruger Affect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 02:11 PM   #556
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7,237
Total Cats: 554
Default

Can't read, too busy paying $12/gallon for fuel in Australia.
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 07:03 PM   #557
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Trondheim, Norway
Posts: 56
Total Cats: 3
Default

MX-5 1,8l softtop 41.150,00 USD
MX-5 2.0l PHRT 61.770,00 USD

1 galon premium gas 8,88 USD

Basemodel Tesla S 72.180,00 USD Electrical cars are exempt from all taxes even VAT, and do not pay road taxes, toll on tollroads and free on most feries. They have reserved parking spaces with charging in most city centres. Not surprising Norway is the second largest market for electric cars. Even though we are only 5.5 million here.
PiazzaT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 08:32 PM   #558
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Erat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Detroit
Posts: 3,881
Total Cats: 219
Default

aussieland?

Cost Of Living Comparison Between Australia And United States
Erat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 08:36 PM   #559
I take big bites
iTrader: (1)
 
turbofan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 5,985
Total Cats: 409
Default

So, what about that second-to-last statistic, where people in the US have 14% LESS disposable income after taxes than the US?

Course if you end up with 14% more income after taxes but cost of living is overall 25% higher then you're still worse off...

How about that 2016 Miata? It's going to be fantastic. It will need more power.
turbofan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2014, 08:38 PM   #560
Destroyer of Inconel
iTrader: (37)
 
EO2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: In ur driveway, abusin' ur WPA
Posts: 8,732
Total Cats: 746
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by turbofan View Post
How about that 2016 Miata? It's going to be fantastic. It will need more power.
Everything needs more power.
EO2K is online now   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
OTS Bilstein to motorsports ASN conversion stoves Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 5 04-21-2016 04:00 PM
Going back to stock. Need some 1.6 parts. Trent WTB 2 10-01-2015 01:15 PM
Leaky Wilwoods mx592 Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 1 10-01-2015 01:45 AM


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:35 PM.