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Old 02-04-2015, 01:49 AM   #661
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I disagree. The Miata is a 2-seat convertible. The RX is a rotary powered more practical coupe Yes, I realize they made a Miata coupe concept, and that RX-7's used to be available in a convertible, but through the 90's RX7 and the whole lifespan of the RX8 they had those distinct roles.

There's plenty of room for a plenty quick convertible AND an RX. I just wish the RX came with a nice turbo 4 cylinder and light weight instead of a rotary :/ But hey, horrible resale value FTW (RX8 mostly)
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There's plenty of room for a plenty quick convertible AND an RX. I just wish the RX came with a nice turbo 4 cylinder and light weight instead of a rotary :/ But hey, horrible resale value FTW (RX8 mostly)
But then it would have to carry the MX moniker not RX. RX is only for rotaries.
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:30 PM   #663
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Sure. But it's really a pointless discussion at this point. Mazda won't build a truly powerful Miata, and they won't build an affordable, lightweight coupé without a couple doritos under the hood.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:34 PM   #664
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I hope it comes with wood trim.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:43 PM   #665
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I disagree. The Miata is a 2-seat convertible. The RX is a rotary powered more practical coupe Yes, I realize they made a Miata coupe concept, and that RX-7's used to be available in a convertible, but through the 90's RX7 and the whole lifespan of the RX8 they had those distinct roles.

There's plenty of room for a plenty quick convertible AND an RX. I just wish the RX came with a nice turbo 4 cylinder and light weight instead of a rotary :/ But hey, horrible resale value FTW (RX8 mostly)
Wasn't just a concept. They sold them to the public.
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:31 PM   #666
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My god, you guys make my brain hurt.

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This article sums up my opinion on the matter pretty well.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...155-is-enough/

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Old 02-04-2015, 08:26 PM   #667
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This article sums up my opinion on the matter pretty well.
+1 Well put.

Most people I talk to that have driven a 135-140 whp NA or NB say it feels like how much power an Miata should have come with from the factory. Now it does come with that from the factory.

I'm more concerned with how quick it can get around the track.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:00 PM   #668
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Huh. That's what everybody has said about my car at 193whp for the past 3 years - "that's about what it should have had."

In 10 years I might have an lsx nd or an lsf nd for a daily.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:32 PM   #669
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I'm definitely seeing the people complain that more power "just isn't a miata". I would argue that the overwhelming majority of them haven't stepped on the go pedal of a properly powered na / nb. Cranking the power to nearly 300 hp didn't turn my miata into something else...it made it a better miata. The simple fact that I don't have to submit to ******** in the escalades, F150s, and 328is of the world or risk certain death or dismemberment by "I'm an entitled bastard, I'm bigger than you so I don't have to look in my mirror before changing lanes, and I'm faster than you so if you **** me off I will run you down" has made the car feel much safer to me. It's wonderful to be able to control my own fate instead of leaving it in the hands of a texter, rager, or average person. Slowing down only works when an ******* isn't intent on making a point *and* the traffic is sparse enough to not matter in the first place. (Imagine driving leisurely home on a 4 lane interstate at night with very light traffic, and having exercised the 2 options of changing lanes or flooring it to get away from some embesel in an RX350 or similar who is obviously mad at the fact he has a small ***** because you can think of no other logical explanation as to why this guy is 2 and a half feet off your bumper at 70mph. The only other option is simply taking your foot off of the gas pedal (no braking) and coasting to a slower speed. What do you do when you get down to 35mph and the guy finally passes you, only to pull in front of you and attempt to force you to slow down and stop? Now consider that you are also in a 3800 lb SUV with a whopping 165hp as happened to me. Escaping this situation on your own will simply doesn't happen. I'm sure it's not as bad with a much ligher car with the same power, but considering that it's still not enough to power away from today's average SUV, you are simply taking a dangerous situation and adding speed to it. You'll be going a little faster, but the micropenis in the much quicker SUV is still fully in charge.) I still need to get my Smith and Wesson sticker plastered on my back window as Hustler once recommended.

As far as a mass market car, I think Mazda nailed it. An ND with 155hp will never be a perfect car, but perhaps the "good" car will sell enough to the masses to justify tuners finding ways to add lots of power to the little gem.

I continue to look forward to the 3-year anniversary of the U.S. release of the ND.
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:17 AM   #670
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You guys have no place to complain.
All we're getting is the 1.5 over here, and I'm betting the price will be in the mid $60K range.
I am not even kidding.
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Old 02-05-2015, 09:51 AM   #671
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This article sums up my opinion on the matter pretty well.

When it comes to Miata horsepower, 155 is enough
I was agreeing with that guy on most points, until I got to this part:

"Well, two hundred horsepower means a few things. It means stronger running gear, five-lug wheels, a heavier differential, bigger wheel bearings. All of those things add weight, which means that you need a heavier suspension. Which means that you need a thicker body. Which means that pretty soon you've got a BMW Z4."
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Old 02-05-2015, 10:03 AM   #672
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I was agreeing with that guy on most points, until I got to this part:

"Well, two hundred horsepower means a few things. It means stronger running gear, five-lug wheels, a heavier differential, bigger wheel bearings. All of those things add weight, which means that you need a heavier suspension. Which means that you need a thicker body. Which means that pretty soon you've got a BMW Z4."


rofl.

here's what I read:

Well, derp derpy derpington derp a derp derp. It means derpyity derp derp, derpy-derp derp, a derpy derp, derpier derp derps. All of those things derp derp, derp derp derp derpy derp derp derp. Derp derp derp you derp derp derp derp derp. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derpy Z4.
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I was agreeing with that guy on most points, until I got to this part:

"Well, two hundred horsepower means a few things. It means stronger running gear, five-lug wheels, a heavier differential, bigger wheel bearings. All of those things add weight, which means that you need a heavier suspension. Which means that you need a thicker body. Which means that pretty soon you've got a BMW Z4."
You didn't know that if the car had even NC levels of power it would completely unbalance the car and ruin its purity? The whole driveline then explodes from the immense power output killing any passengers. That is why Mazda just straight swapped the econo engine, it was the perfect amount of hp. Its not because it was the easy solution and required the least amount of possible effort.

Edit: I'll also leave this here.

Skyactive 1.5L: 132hp/1.5L = 88hp/L

Skyacrive 2.0L: 155hp/2.0L = 77.5hp/L

01'1 1.8L bp (with 80's tech in a 14 year old predecessor): 142hp/1.8L = 78.9 hp/L

That is why I am insulted by this engine. I am sure the car will drive very well and be a great base platform but this is just Mazda being ******* lazy.
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it already looks like a Z4, might as well have power like one.
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Old 02-05-2015, 10:52 AM   #675
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I think you guys are missing the obvious.

It seems to me that Mazda, in the US market, has given us a motor that is in line with Miata tradition in stock form but with a just a little uncork, will be something special.

It could be the most brilliant thing Mazda has done yet. Give a car to people that will never modify it from stock form and be totally satisfied, yet give us a car that has the potential for something awesome.
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Old 02-05-2015, 11:09 AM   #676
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The fact that they didn't even tune it from the econo car application is insulting and lazy. The pathetic specific output is industry leading... in the wrong direction.
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I just...don't even care. There will be people who like it, there will be people who will never accept it due to predisposed flawed logic, and there are those that will change the car and make it into what they imagine a Miata to be.

I fall into the latter category. Unless it is my daily driver, I'll be modifying it to fit my definition of how a car should be.

I didn't buy a Miata to only **** and moan about the lack of power. I bought one to turn into my ideal fun car with wayyyyy too much power.

Don't expect a car company(looking at you Subaru) to make the perfect car. Sad truth of the situation is that car companies are run by accountants. If they can shave off pennies by not reengineering something, that is millions in profit.

Only way to win is being an educated buyer, and buying what fits your formula.
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Mazda underpowers every car they make. I wouldn't have expected any different with the ND.
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M.net is full of angry, bitter gays and MT.net has all of the bubbly, flamboyant, show-tunes gays.
It's unfortunate, but some gays just don't love kitties.
Finest comment ever.

Also, I really wanna know who the turbo 95M owner is. Super curious.
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You didn't know that if the car had even NC levels of power it would completely unbalance the car and ruin its purity? The whole driveline then explodes from the immense power output killing any passengers. That is why Mazda just straight swapped the econo engine, it was the perfect amount of hp. Its not because it was the easy solution and required the least amount of possible effort.

Edit: I'll also leave this here.

Skyactive 1.5L: 132hp/1.5L = 88hp/L

Skyacrive 2.0L: 155hp/2.0L = 77.5hp/L

01'1 1.8L bp (with 80's tech in a 14 year old predecessor): 142hp/1.8L = 78.9 hp/L

That is why I am insulted by this engine. I am sure the car will drive very well and be a great base platform but this is just Mazda being ******* lazy.
I believe you've missed the point of the motor.


We brag incessantly once we reach that magical 30mpg number out of our ancient BPs.

It's almost insulting how long Mazda stuck us with that BP, especially when superior motors made BY MAZDA came and went.

This isn't a motor for 2016. This is a motor that they will be able to use for a long time. This is a motor that will get gas mileage like you have wet dreams about in your BP ownership.

And it makes MORE power than the BP. It weighs less than a BP. HP/L is ricer math.

Are we really complaining about a car that has better power/weight than either NA or NB, AND will get gas mileage that will shame those cars? Is this what we're doing?
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