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Old 07-30-2015, 06:07 PM   #1401
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There are definitely two or more schools of thought on this subject and likely always will be.

When I buy an ND, assuming Mazda ever offers a RHT from the factory in order to get me to jump off the ledge, I will be changing it at the 100 mile mark and installing a magnetic drain plug. From there I'll change it again at the 500 and 1k mile markers. Each time will be with whatever 5W30 conventional is on sale at Chinamart at that time. PYB, Quaker State, Mobil 5000, whatever. At the 1k change I will run that conventional fill until I hit 5k. From 5k onwards I will run Redline 0W30 at 6-8k mile intervals or once a year, whichever comes first.

Regardless of warranty I refuse to run a 20 weight in a sports car that will see 7k rpms multiple times a day. CAFE isn't going to get me to run something in the motor that will eventually shear to a 10 weight.
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<p>Looked under the new ND today while waiting for it to unload off the truck.</p><p>Axles and diff sure look smaller/weaker than on the NB's. Haven't been under an NC. Car just doesn't look as beefy under there.</p><p>I had wondered about that -- with the focus on weight loss, I am somewhat doubtful the subframes and such will be as happy at 250 whp as an NB is.</p>
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CAFE isn't going to get me to run something in the motor that will eventually shear to a 10 weight.
But CAFE and EPA hate your car and want it to die. Why won't you play along?
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But CAFE and EPA hate your car and want it to die. Why won't you play along?
0W20? **** THAT ****!

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Old 07-30-2015, 07:01 PM   #1405
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Regardless of power, the reports of it being a 2016 version of an NA Miata is what sold me. Out of all the Miata's and other sports cars I've owned my 93 NA with Bilsteins, stocks springs, and some regular 205's was my favorite. Let's hope they sell a metric **** ton of them.

Also, I came close to buying a 350z 3 times, what a boring car. It's the Toyota Camry of sports cars.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:16 PM   #1406
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Also, I came close to buying a 350z 3 times, what a boring car. It's the Toyota Camry of sports cars.
Wait but it has way more power than a Miata, that must mean it's more fun!

The general murmuring and complaining from the crowd about ND horsepower levels (from Miata people) has me wondering if people have forgotten what the Miata is all about.

Stripped down to a simple generalization, the ND is an NC motor in an NB chassis plus 2016 tech. That sounds like a pretty darn good starting point to me.

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<p>Looked under the new ND today while waiting for it to unload off the truck.</p><p>Axles and diff sure look smaller/weaker than on the NB's. Haven't been under an NC. Car just doesn't look as beefy under there.</p><p>I had wondered about that -- with the focus on weight loss, I am somewhat doubtful the subframes and such will be as happy at 250 whp as an NB is.</p>
Yes and No (imo)
While modern cars definitely get thinner and weaker parts due to saving pennies in every possible area, the important parts get better/stronger materials, so despite looking more fragile, sometimes they actually are much stronger.

But who knows. Time will tell
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:27 PM   #1408
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Quick. Borrow a diff before they do the PDI. Well stick it in my car and see if I can destroy it. I can kill torsens remember?
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run all the launch controls
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And full boost no lift is the way to get past wheel hop.
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Anyone seen this yet?

Mazda MX5 Miata ND ECU Calibration Package 2016+ 1.5L 2.0L ? OrangeVirus Tuning
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oh snap
pretty sure they use ecutec. ecutec is usually first on the scene with defined tuning solutions which they then charge you insane money for
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Is it normal for these people to not post maps?
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maps? lol

you don't even get the ability to tune your own car for that price. you just get "a tune". or a "map". you don't even know what kind of map. You have to trust them that it's not dog crap

With ecutec you have to pay something like 2 grand or something to even be able to go into your own tune.
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Yeah, I gave the Dynotronics guy **** because the first time I saw him was on Mazdas247 offering Mazda2 flashes.

The whole idea of "pay me a bunch of money, give me your ECU, and I'm going to send it to some Italian dude" was setting off so many alarm bells. I don't even really like the idea of Cobb Accessports, but paying $1000+ for a "tune" that you have no idea how it looks is ******* nuts to me.
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****, I must be drunk. I meant plots. Dyno charts. HP gains on paper. ect.

Yeah i know you gotta trust them and hope it's not dog ****. I'm going through the same dilemma with my FZ09 right now.
Edit* I don't know what it's like not to tune my own stuff. It's unsettling even to think about it.
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Old 07-30-2015, 08:25 PM   #1417
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There are companies that will sell you HPtuners files that are "tuner locked" so you can't see anything in them, and you purchase and pay for credits to load who knows what. Dyno shops must do it to, no shop I'd ever use, especially with my own HPtuners module.

I don't think they've actually flashed one yet, they're just guessing. I wonder how they know they've cracked it though?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Miata/comme...ing_available/
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Old 07-31-2015, 03:10 PM   #1418
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Several of the shops that do tuning of the stock NC ECU have stated they are working on the ND already. I believe ecutek is what is being used at this moment. We will see what happens in the next year with engine tuning. I am hoping that by next fall when I purchase my ND that it is tunable by the home user.

On a side note my local dealer got in a silver auto GT ND yesterday. I went out today to check it out. I love the look, but most importantly I checked out the room inside of the front bumper. It has lots of space for a nice FMIC.

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Before the car even came out we've been getting requests for an alternative to the $3400 upgrade price of Brembos and BBS wheels. I've been pretty much devoted to this project all week and owe a big thanks to our machinist burning the midnight oil as well.
It was worth the hard work! We now have:

4 AND 6 piston caliper conversion that fit stock rotors and wheels
2-piece 11" front and rear rotor upgrades that fit stock calipers AND our caliper upgrade kits
ND Big Brake Kit with large 2-piece rotors and upgraded calipers

Almost too many advantages over the factory brakes and Brembo option to list...

* Lower cost (of course), and friction ring replacements for our 2-piece rotors more affordable than standard rotors.
* All the same familiar (and affordable) pad selection as NA/NB BBK
* Lightest-weight "autox racer" combo will be 4-pot option with our 2-piece rotors, which saves 8 lbs per side.
* Our BBK with much larger rotors and big 6-pot calipers still comes in 2 lbs lighter per side than factory brakes - compared to Brembo on just 11" rotors saving only 1.5lbs
* More wheel fitment than Brembo (YES, we even have 15" 6UL clearance)
* Piston sizes retain factory brake bias and excellent balance.

Oh, and as for alternatives to the factory BBS? We just got our first samples of new 14.05 lb 17x7

Full details and prices will be up on the website this coming week once I have a chance to sit down in the office and write things up.







For autocross this weekend, we've fitted the new 6-piston kit over 11" rotors with our 16x8 RPF1s and 205/50/16 RE71R, and we also have a test-set of stiffer/lower springs on the car:



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Old 08-01-2015, 01:44 AM   #1420
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^ I love you.
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<br />As for my own experience, I took an automatic ND around the block today. Even on such a short drive, I was impressed. I feel like it's impossible to overstate just how much better the car feels than the NC. So much more midrange torque, and the interior... The ND makes the NC look like a bloated Kia in comparison. It's ridiculous.
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<br />Can't wait to actually drive a manual trans one enthusiastically.
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