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Old 08-12-2015, 11:35 AM   #1461
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<p>Do these have factory roll over protection? Are they track ready without a roll bar like the s2000 is?</p>
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:43 AM   #1462
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I believe so. It isn't that high though.
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:51 AM   #1463
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Haven't driven an ND yet, but I'm also 6'1", torsoey, and with stock seats in either an NA or NB, my head sometimes comes into contact with the #2 header bow. From Jacob's description, I'm guessing an ND will fit about the same.
I bet a lot of you taller guys will fit. They moved the soft top bows so taller people won't contact. With the seat all the way back and broken in I bet you could get another 1-1.5". Also I sit up fairly straight. With some recline you gain even more room. I remember reading somewhere that they tested the car with a 6'2" driver here in the USA while it was still in pre-production, hence redisigning in the soft top bows. I wear a 30 pant, so minus 30 from 70 and I'm a 40 torso? Does that work like that? What would you be Joe?

Oh almost forgot, it has hill assist. It will hold the brake for 3 seconds on a hill so you can get out of the clutch and on the gas. Been driving a stick for 25years and don't need it but it worked really well and would be nice for the wife.
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:57 AM   #1464
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I'm incredibly long torsoed. Like unproportionally torso.
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Old 08-12-2015, 12:18 PM   #1465
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I don't think you can foamectomy these seats. I heard some noise about the seats actually being "slings" kindof.
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Old 08-12-2015, 12:18 PM   #1466
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<p>Do these have factory roll over protection? Are they track ready without a roll bar like the s2000 is?</p>
They don't have what I would consider adequate for rollover protection. As for which orgs will let the car onto a track without a roll bar, YMMV depending on how lax their rules are.

The car definitely needs a proper roll bar. GWR and 949 are working with Blackbird Fabworx to bring two levels of roll bars to the ND market very soon. Our car is getting a street version which will retain soft top compatibility and likely only need a bit of trimming of the plastics to fit, while 949's car will be getting the track-focused version which requires full gutting of the soft top and rear interior panels. Of course, the no-compromises track version of the roll bar will be able to maximize main hoop height and width as well as rear leg span over the street version.

Moti has already done a good deal of measuring and napkin designing and he's confident that he can bring good products to the table in both versions. Considering that for the NC he offers only one roll bar (the best damn roll bar for an NC on the market) that requires full soft top removal because nothing that allowed operation of the soft top would meet his safety/design standards, the fact that he says he is confident in being able to make a street version that can work within the soft top's limitations gives me high hopes.

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Old 08-12-2015, 12:22 PM   #1467
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I wear a 30 pant, so minus 30 from 70 and I'm a 40 torso? Does that work like that? What would you be Joe?
Although my tailor chastises me for it, I also wear a 30 inseam pant. I hate the legs of my pants bunching up on top of my boot when I stand.

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Oh almost forgot, it has hill assist. It will hold the brake for 3 seconds on a hill so you can get out of the clutch and on the gas. Been driving a stick for 25years and don't need it but it worked really well and would be nice for the wife.
I've never driven a car with this feature, though I've heard of it. For me, using the hand-brake when starting up a hill just seems intuitive.

I wonder how well it works? Eg: does it gradually release the brakes as you engage the clutch, or is there a point in the clutch engagement at which the brakes simply release all at once? Seems like that'd freak me out. Or worse, get me in the habit of *not* using the handbrake, only to have me roll back into someone the first time I drove a car without the feature.
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Old 08-12-2015, 02:16 PM   #1468
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I don't think you can foamectomy these seats. I heard some noise about the seats actually being "slings" kindof.
Correct. OEM seat is already on the floor and it's a sling.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:01 PM   #1469
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I still havent figured out how to do a hill start with the hand brake. I just like move my feet and stuff and the car doesnt roll back.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:19 PM   #1470
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Although my tailor chastises me for it, I also wear a 30 inseam pant. I hate the legs of my pants bunching up on top of my boot when I stand. I've never driven a car with this feature, though I've heard of it. For me, using the hand-brake when starting up a hill just seems intuitive. I wonder how well it works? Eg: does it gradually release the brakes as you engage the clutch, or is there a point in the clutch engagement at which the brakes simply release all at once? Seems like that'd freak me out. Or worse, get me in the habit of *not* using the handbrake, only to have me roll back into someone the first time I drove a car without the feature.
</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I've driven our&nbsp;Evoque and Chrysler 200 road test cars at work, both of which have such a feature. Irrelevant as they are automatics, but I thought I'd comment on how cool of a feature it is. I was on a STEEP as hill, took my foot off the break, and the car just remains stationary. It's really cool.</p><p>The range rover also&nbsp;has a feature for going DOWN hills, though I have not tried that.</p>
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:23 PM   #1471
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<p>Do these have factory roll over protection? Are they track ready without a roll bar like the s2000 is?</p>
Not even close.
S2000 has Steel tubing under the trim pieces, IIRC it was 1.5"x0.080", not really up to spec for any organization, but at least it's something.
Can't recall if it's DOM or ERW, though I'd hazard a guess it's ERW.

The NC has Steel hoops as well, but painfully undersized at 1"x0.062", made out of ERW.
Great for holding plastic trim pieces up, less so for roll over protection.

The ND has Aluminum hoops to hold the plastic trim pieces up there and _just_ get by the requirement to hold up the car upside down.
Nuff said.

No one that cares about their safety even remotely should trust their life to the ND stock hoops.
As Ryan said, we're working on two styles of roll bars for the ND so we can satisfy both the DD-and-don't-want-to-rip-my-new-car-apart crowd as well as the interior-schmenterior-I'll-be-at-the-track-all-the-time guys.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:34 PM   #1472
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<p>Thanks so much for posting that. I'd just assumed that it had similar rollover protection like an S2k. Great to know.</p>
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Some salesman at the dealership told me it was just like the s2000s protection
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:08 PM   #1474
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<p>That salesman was misinformed </p>
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Some salesman at the dealership told me it was just like the s2000s protection
Technically correct: none at all.
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Old 08-13-2015, 09:04 AM   #1476
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Most car salesmen's technical knowledge begins and end with the ability to find their own dipstick.
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Old 08-13-2015, 09:30 AM   #1477
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He he. Said salesman was turbofan.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:25 PM   #1478
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Yep, I was the salesman and made an unsafe assumption. That's why I was so grateful for Moti's post. I hate spreading misinformation.
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I wonder if you could get the sport with an LSD?
Not on the 2016 model unfortunately. Only the Club has the LSD. It's not even an option on the GT this time around.
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