Pricing: Honda kids move to Miatas
12-11-2013, 02:44 PM
#42
Again, hypothetical - because there are 45 eleventy million miatas on this earth right now...
I only mention this because I've seen it happen before with other car communities. Point is there's no point in giving a **** what the hipster youngsters do with their cars because you can't control it... but instead of condemn it, show them the way. They will either fade out and be long forgotten, or turn into a fine specimen of miata owner and do big things for the community.
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12-11-2013, 02:50 PM
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Dummy. In my hypothetical situation that wasn't meant to be take seriously... No, you'd lose the people like you've listed... You'd also lose people like a hella fab for instance, also people that do things for the commun like building tunable ecus, privately owned companies and contributers that make customized parts that can't make enough money to continue so they move on. The only thing you'd be left with would be the ebay kits.
Again, hypothetical - because there are 45 eleventy million miatas on this earth right now...
I only mention this because I've seen it happen before with other car communities.
Again, hypothetical - because there are 45 eleventy million miatas on this earth right now...
I only mention this because I've seen it happen before with other car communities.
Oh wait... In the GTO community you'll find cheap coilovers and that's about it. They're not particularly cool, they're rare, and the only people who are actually making stuff for them are forum sponsors and small organizations. (well, and people in upside-down land). Those eBay sellers profit from volume, so the car needs to be common and popular. In your hypothetical situation, a car that isn't "cool" gets eBay support. In the real world, it doesn't. It gets ignored by the main ricetards and instead, true enthusiasts hang on to them.
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12-11-2013, 03:08 PM
#44
Dummy. In my hypothetical situation that wasn't meant to be take seriously... No, you'd lose the people like you've listed... You'd also lose people like a hella fab for instance, also people that do things for the commun like building tunable ecus, privately owned companies and contributers that make customized parts that can't make enough money to continue so they move on. The only thing you'd be left with would be the ebay kits.
You don't see these broke retarded kids buying quality product from small companies to support them and their efforts, you see the exact opposite: them buying tons of cheap crap from china sweat shop distributors. You realize this hurts the "good" companies way more than anything else right?
Like how many ricers do you see buying FatCat bilsteins or 949 Xidas, or even BEGi and FM products? Like 1 out of 10, and even that's a stretch.
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12-11-2013, 03:12 PM
#46
I didn't say anything about ebay until it was mentioned by the member above. Seriously, No ***** given about ebay. I don't need a economics lesson on how ebays financial model works, lol. Has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
Believe what you want... What I mentioned initially on the previous page is what I've seen first hand with older car communities that were popular simply for the bang for the buck aspect i.e. what a GTO is not IMHO.
Feel free to take bits and pieces of what I say and quote them and then argue the point to the grave though... that's what my ex girlfriends do
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm just spitting what I've seen.
Again,
Having a car that has multiple interests from many types of genre's is actually a good thing.
Believe what you want... What I mentioned initially on the previous page is what I've seen first hand with older car communities that were popular simply for the bang for the buck aspect i.e. what a GTO is not IMHO.
Feel free to take bits and pieces of what I say and quote them and then argue the point to the grave though... that's what my ex girlfriends do
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm just spitting what I've seen.
Again,
I love how this thread pops up every 2 years on every single car forum that exists in this world.
Stop bitching and enjoy the fact that the car is plentiful and still has somewhat of a marketable value. Chances are what most of you did to your cars a decade ago were what the old fogeys pulled their hair out about and complained on mailing lists/forums just like everyone here is.
Here's the alternate ending to this story:
Everyone becomes a reserved fogey, miata car scene dies out, people stop making affordable aftermarket parts, only people that modify are spec racers. Value Drops. You lose interest because everything you want to upgrade you have to spend ridiculous amounts of money or make custom. You sell it cheap which counters the point of the bitching in the first place.
Ultimately, I hate some of the erroneous **** and ghetto modifications too, but who cares... Be a hero and buy the crappy bastardized cars and save them. The market being hot for a car is a good thing... let's be honest. They aren't going anywhere.
:::shakes fist at youngster whipper snappers:::
Stop bitching and enjoy the fact that the car is plentiful and still has somewhat of a marketable value.
Chances are what most of you did to your cars a decade ago were what the old fogeys pulled their hair out about and complained on mailing lists/forums just like everyone here is. Here's the alternate ending to this story:
Everyone becomes a reserved fogey, miata car scene dies out, people stop making affordable aftermarket parts, only people that modify are spec racers. Value Drops. You lose interest because everything you want to upgrade you have to spend ridiculous amounts of money or make custom. You sell it cheap which counters the point of the bitching in the first place.
Ultimately, I hate some of the erroneous **** and ghetto modifications too, but who cares... Be a hero and buy the crappy bastardized cars and save them. The market being hot for a car is a good thing... let's be honest. They aren't going anywhere.
:::shakes fist at youngster whipper snappers:::
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12-11-2013, 03:18 PM
#47
I didn't say anything about ebay until it was mentioned by the member above. Seriously, No ***** given about ebay. I don't need a economics lesson on how ebays financial model works, lol. Has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
Believe what you want... What I mentioned initially on the previous page is what I've seen first hand with older car communities that were popular simply for the bang for the buck aspect i.e. what a GTO is not IMHO.
Feel free to take bits and pieces of what I say and quote them and then argue the point to the grave though... that's what my ex girlfriends do
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm just spitting what I've seen.
Again,
Believe what you want... What I mentioned initially on the previous page is what I've seen first hand with older car communities that were popular simply for the bang for the buck aspect i.e. what a GTO is not IMHO.
Feel free to take bits and pieces of what I say and quote them and then argue the point to the grave though... that's what my ex girlfriends do
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm just spitting what I've seen.
Again,
Ok, lets ignore ebay and all that crap. Lets focus on the owners only. You're saying if we didn't have a bunch of these hellaswag kids buying these cars the miata "scene" would die out?
Are you seroius?
You realize these stupid kids appeared on the "scene" only about 5 years ago, and the miata was being modified and enjoyed since the 1989 right? When they were 10k they were popular, and when they were 15k, and......
Your "alternate story" is garbage.
Feel free to cry moar though
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12-11-2013, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by meeners
--something that doesn't really make sense--
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12-11-2013, 03:21 PM
#49
I have observed the exact opposite of this take place, and completely disagree with you.
You don't see these broke retarded kids buying quality product from small companies to support them and their efforts, you see the exact opposite: them buying tons of cheap crap from china sweat shop distributors. You realize this hurts the "good" companies way more than anything else right?
Like how many ricers do you see buying FatCat bilsteins or 949 Xidas, or even BEGi and FM products? Like 1 out of 10, and even that's a stretch.
You don't see these broke retarded kids buying quality product from small companies to support them and their efforts, you see the exact opposite: them buying tons of cheap crap from china sweat shop distributors. You realize this hurts the "good" companies way more than anything else right?
Like how many ricers do you see buying FatCat bilsteins or 949 Xidas, or even BEGi and FM products? Like 1 out of 10, and even that's a stretch.
However, I didn't say anything about ricers buying ebay products. You're not reading what I said and are putting words into my mouth and disagreeing with that. Tangents galore.
What I said was:
1) What is the use of bitching about ricers, when 72.57% of you were probably 'ricers' in your own right.
2) it's a better idea to embrace the fact that there are people that like the car
3) I posted that the alternative is a mixture of some or maybe all of the hypothetical situation I quote a couple posts above... that's not what you want.
Period.
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12-11-2013, 03:24 PM
#50
You are allowed to disagree.
However, I didn't say anything about ricers buying ebay products. You're not reading what I said and are putting words into my mouth and disagreeing with that. Tangents galore.
What I said was:
1) What is the use of bitching about ricers, when 72.57% of you were probably 'ricers' in your own right.
2) it's a better idea to embrace the fact that there are people that like the car
3) I posted that the alternative is a mixture of some or maybe all of the hypothetical situation I quote a couple posts above... that's not what you want.
Period.
However, I didn't say anything about ricers buying ebay products. You're not reading what I said and are putting words into my mouth and disagreeing with that. Tangents galore.
What I said was:
1) What is the use of bitching about ricers, when 72.57% of you were probably 'ricers' in your own right.
2) it's a better idea to embrace the fact that there are people that like the car
3) I posted that the alternative is a mixture of some or maybe all of the hypothetical situation I quote a couple posts above... that's not what you want.
Period.
Its all good though, I don't care
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12-11-2013, 03:25 PM
#51
No, you're "spitting" false claims and we're calling you on em.
Ok, lets ignore ebay and all that crap. Lets focus on the owners only. You're saying if we didn't have a bunch of these hellaswag kids buying these cars the miata "scene" would die out?
Are you seroius?
You realize these stupid kids appeared on the "scene" only about 5 years ago, and the miata was being modified and enjoyed since the 1989 right? When they were 10k they were popular, and when they were 15k, and......
Your "alternate story" is garbage.
Feel free to cry moar though
Ok, lets ignore ebay and all that crap. Lets focus on the owners only. You're saying if we didn't have a bunch of these hellaswag kids buying these cars the miata "scene" would die out?
Are you seroius?
You realize these stupid kids appeared on the "scene" only about 5 years ago, and the miata was being modified and enjoyed since the 1989 right? When they were 10k they were popular, and when they were 15k, and......
Your "alternate story" is garbage.
Feel free to cry moar though
Nope, not what I said. Again READ. it's one post above. You are getting all salty for no reason.
Stop getting you're heart all riled up.
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Are you kidding me, I love this ****.
12-11-2013, 04:06 PM
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All the chinese parts do not in any way hurt the manufactures of high-end parts. In fact it is quite the opposite.
Hondas are a perfect example. All the turbo Hondas rolling around would not exist if it was not for the cheap parts.
These people wouldnt have been forced to buy expensive parts built here in the states, they simply would have bought nothing.
China made Hondas so cheap that everybody got into them, which opened the doors for a huge number of people to get into making high end parts for Hondas. The cars became a kind of fad, and while most people just slapped some cheap parts on their car and ruined them, others making slightly above minimum wage decided to buy expensive parts in order to show up their minimum wage Honda friends.
Its the same story throughout or economy. Cheap goods from Asia, regardless of being copies or not, are one of the most beneficial things to our economy as a whole.
Hondas are a perfect example. All the turbo Hondas rolling around would not exist if it was not for the cheap parts.
These people wouldnt have been forced to buy expensive parts built here in the states, they simply would have bought nothing.
China made Hondas so cheap that everybody got into them, which opened the doors for a huge number of people to get into making high end parts for Hondas. The cars became a kind of fad, and while most people just slapped some cheap parts on their car and ruined them, others making slightly above minimum wage decided to buy expensive parts in order to show up their minimum wage Honda friends.
Its the same story throughout or economy. Cheap goods from Asia, regardless of being copies or not, are one of the most beneficial things to our economy as a whole.
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12-11-2013, 04:41 PM
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Fact: If not for Nike's, sweat shops, and machine welding of thin 304, Miley Cyrus wouldn't even exist.
What is economy? It sounds like it's for suckers.
Fact: The notion of -youngbloods ruining the car fad- existed before most of anyone here knew what a miata or a forum ever was and will continue to exist until irobots take over the earth.
Fact: Hot rodding was stimulated from the same above notion
Fact: There is no "right way" to mod a car... only what works and what doesn't. How well it works is what you justifiably do within your means whatever way you look at it.
Opinionated Fact: What is junky to you might be elaborate to someone else. What was awesome to you 5 years ago is likely junky now ("what was I doing/thinking when I did ____.")
Fact: I am a ricer.
Fact: Wow you are still reading this?
What is economy? It sounds like it's for suckers.
Fact: The notion of -youngbloods ruining the car fad- existed before most of anyone here knew what a miata or a forum ever was and will continue to exist until irobots take over the earth.
Fact: Hot rodding was stimulated from the same above notion
Fact: There is no "right way" to mod a car... only what works and what doesn't. How well it works is what you justifiably do within your means whatever way you look at it.
Opinionated Fact: What is junky to you might be elaborate to someone else. What was awesome to you 5 years ago is likely junky now ("what was I doing/thinking when I did ____.")
Fact: I am a ricer.
Fact: Wow you are still reading this?
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